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The main differences between the two oaths randfandom Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM
Did anyone else react with surprise to Egwene's strong reaction to a 4th oath of fealty, when she herself extracted a similar oath (albeit not on the oath rod) from Theodrin, Faolain, and others?


While not completely ethical, there is a difference here:

1. Egwene did not have them swear "obedience" but fealty - which is what Aes Sedai owe their Amyrlin anyway - she was rectifying the imbalance caused by them treating her as a puppet.

2. Egwene did not have them swear on the Oath Rod. I am pretty sure there is a difference in how binding an oath is if it is sworn directly on the oath rod and if it is not. We've seen a woman nearly choke to death when inadvertantly told to tell a lie after swearing the oath to obey. On the other hand, Beonin's oath of fealty did not prevent her from switching allegiance to Elaida at the first opportune moment. She was able to circumvent her oath quite easily by convincing herself that Egwene is not Amyrlin. Somehow I doubt it would have worked had she sworn on the Oath rod.

However, I do agree that Egwene tends to have blinders when it comes to her actions. Her attitudes towards Rand and resentment of his decisions and privileges is evident throughout the series. It is a failing shared by all Aes Sedai however (except for Nynaeve and Moiraine).
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Egwene - hypocrite Taer - 10/12/2009 01:20:24 PM 1617 Views
Re: Egwene - hypocrite Elvira_Sedai - 10/12/2009 01:33:00 PM 1136 Views
Not the same at all really Sidious - 10/12/2009 02:12:36 PM 873 Views
How do you explain the BA Hunters? Taer - 10/12/2009 02:21:28 PM 817 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 03:03:49 PM 773 Views
Agreed Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:01:40 PM 673 Views
Disagree Taer - 10/12/2009 04:50:13 PM 764 Views
Just Agree to Disagree *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 11/12/2009 12:53:46 PM 307 Views
What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:51:05 PM 779 Views
Well... Sidious - 10/12/2009 03:58:48 PM 763 Views
Don't be ridiculous Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:05:46 PM 660 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2009 05:54:39 PM 666 Views
She threatened, or made an implied threat, to reveal what they had done. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:11:43 PM 654 Views
Re: What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? randfandom - 10/12/2009 09:08:08 PM 697 Views
It does NOT violate Tower Law, as Myrelle herself said, and Siuan admits. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:23:25 PM 708 Views
I can't decide if you just don't understand the books at all darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 05:14:22 AM 605 Views
I have doubts about RJ's brain if he actually believed some of the crap he has characters spew Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:26:52 PM 647 Views
Let he who has no sin cast the first stone redhand - 10/12/2009 04:34:06 PM 712 Views
Re: Let he who has no sin cast the first stone Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:41:33 PM 637 Views
Leane too darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 06:09:31 AM 629 Views
Not really DomA - 10/12/2009 03:06:30 PM 757 Views
But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. redhand - 10/12/2009 04:42:51 PM 689 Views
Re: But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. DomA - 10/12/2009 11:04:47 PM 713 Views
Really Taer - 10/12/2009 04:52:10 PM 644 Views
Re: Really DomA - 10/12/2009 11:56:30 PM 760 Views
No she was right, and even her blackmail, as reprehensible as that was, was not an act of tyranny Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:56:41 PM 825 Views
Sure. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 05:03:00 PM 632 Views
Actually, I agree. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 06:47:22 PM 648 Views
I like Egwene Taer - 10/12/2009 07:08:24 PM 699 Views
That really disappointed me. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 07:29:14 PM 733 Views
funny, I'm more of the mind set that both groups were right darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:02:50 AM 654 Views
Not the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 12:13:26 AM 598 Views
I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:13:31 AM 662 Views
Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM 725 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:06:47 PM 686 Views
You have no basis for that assertion. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM 670 Views
Not really the case darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:43 PM 658 Views
They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM 772 Views
Ah, true that. Fanatic-Templar - 12/12/2009 07:20:04 PM 672 Views
Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:02:55 PM 624 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 04:16:56 AM 667 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM 714 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 07:35:10 PM 625 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 08:27:53 PM 601 Views
Not true. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2009 02:41:28 AM 715 Views
I agree with most of your point darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 09:49:18 PM 740 Views
Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... randfandom - 11/12/2009 12:57:49 AM 622 Views
Re: Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:18:33 AM 642 Views
The main differences between the two oaths randfandom - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM 939 Views
Of course she is a hypocrite Knightscape - 11/12/2009 05:22:56 AM 677 Views
The same can be said of Nynaeve and Mat darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:47 AM 680 Views
Probably because they're all human Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:43:53 PM 600 Views
darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:05:13 PM 688 Views
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