I seem to recall that it was in a letter sent by one of the sisters to the head of the red ajah. Tsutama I think.
I fear I'll have to remain skeptical until you can provide me with a quote or chapter.
Note that a message to the Head of your Ajah is not exactly the same as letting it be known that the Oaths no longer hold you - Aes Sedai are well aware that what little credibility they have is due to their Oaths, this is not news they'd want to spread around.
We have neither been told or not told whether this information exists or not. Just because some random rebels don't know about it does not mean it is not written down somewhere. My assumption was that it would be based on the lifespan of the tower and the number of stilled sisters.
I cannot deny that it IS an assumption but it seemed reasonable enough to me that it would be discovered and recorded considering that it IS rather obvious.
I cannot deny that it IS an assumption but it seemed reasonable enough to me that it would be discovered and recorded considering that it IS rather obvious.
We have been told that Stilled women are cast out and ignored, forgotten if at all possible. They remind Aes Sedai of unpleasant realities. The fact that Stilled Aes Sedai are not studied at all was one of those things that were quite clearly confirmed in Nynaeve's quests to Heal severing in the first place. There is no reason to believe the information exists, and significant evidence to suggest it doesn't.
All it would take is for one average brown to be accidentally stilled, to leave the tower, to discover afterwards that she can lie and send a letter to her former ajah explaining that bit of new knowledge. At which point the knowledge would be written down and stored for good. There must have been lots of sisters like that in the millennia the tower has been around.
This is completely wrong. Not only are there lots of accidentally Stilled Brown ex-Aes Sedai out of the Tower who would report back to the Tower, there are not many Stilled Aes Sedai, period:
this punishment is rarely executed except for the most extreme crimes against the Tower. As a warning, all novices are required to learn the name and crimes of all women who have suffered stilling within the White Tower’s history. Until recently, no women had been judicially stilled in over one hundred years.
- The World of Robert Jordan’s The Wheel of Time
And then, many of those criminals are executed for their crimes after their Stilling.
Out of the very rare Aes Sedai who are Stilled, and the rarer who are then not executed, subtract all those who are not of the Brown Ajah.
Then subtract those who quickly commit suicide due to the pain of losing the Source.
Then remove all those who, having been cut from the Source and exiled by the White Tower, would not feel any particular loyalty that would compel them to send this information back, if they even noticed or cared at all.
How many does that leave us? Not lots, I am quite sure.
And burnt out Sisters are even rarer - the only ones for whom this would happen would be Novices, who aren't under the Oaths to begin with, and people tinkering with Aes Sedai, which from Elayne's progression in that direction, we know are extremely rare, and the use of Martine Janata as an example is especially noteworthy.
I don't know if it is that unlikely. For example, we know from Moiraines PoV in New Spring that taking the oaths feels like it presses on your skin. This is shown again when the BA hunters release and retake the oaths. As a BA, Verin had the oaths released and then took them anew. It seems reasonable enough for me for her to have realised at that point that the tightening of skin/ageless look is a result of the oaths. Just because that is not common knowledge does not mean that Verin would not have realised it since she took the oaths twice.
Completely unfounded. Black Ajah have been doing this constantly for two thousand years and have apparently never noticed anything.
Let us say she did, then let us say that somewhere along her life she met a stilled sister and saw that the ageless face was gone. I figure she must have met atleast one sometime in her long life. She probably stilled sisters herself even. Not a big leap from there to realise that if the ageless face was gone, maybe the oaths were too. A bit of research into the subject at the tower libraries and PRESTO!
Are you kidding me? You're so desperate that you are completely fabricating scenes just to suit your desired conclusions? Follow the evidence to the right conclusion, don't imagine evidence to suit your preconceptions.
Now this is just one possible example of how Verin could have discovered it. It could be that she was simply smart enough to realise it on her own without any outside assistance. It is a well known fact that the oath rod works only on channelers so its not a big leap from there for Verin to wonder what would happen if she stopped being a channeler by being stilled for instance. A bit of research in the libraries and there we go. Most people don't have any reason to think about the oaths overly much after they are taken. But for Verin, the oath rod and oaths would pretty much have been the most important thing to research.
70 years is a long time. A very long time. Longer than the total lifespan of most people. And all this time, Verin would have known that the success of all her work and efforts would depend on being able to break free of the BA oath. Is it really rational that given all that time, the brilliant brown Verin would not he discovered this. I don't think so.
70 years is a long time. A very long time. Longer than the total lifespan of most people. And all this time, Verin would have known that the success of all her work and efforts would depend on being able to break free of the BA oath. Is it really rational that given all that time, the brilliant brown Verin would not he discovered this. I don't think so.
You have as much evidence supporting your conclusion as I have evidence that Verin was a zombie.
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Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
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Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
I finished tGS last night... and really had to come back to you all. 
- 09/12/2009 02:11:05 AM
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Silly Verin! She did not need to die.
- 09/12/2009 03:53:23 AM
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Re: Silly Verin! She did not need to die.
- 09/12/2009 06:11:02 AM
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And does she know that Stilling breaks the Oaths? *NM*
- 09/12/2009 06:16:54 AM
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She should. Some of the Aes Sedai who swore to Rand had been Stilled and then Restored by Flinn.
- 09/12/2009 03:18:10 PM
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Then, wouldn't the BA/Shadow just kill her off? I think it'd be kind of obvious what she did. *NM*
- 09/12/2009 03:23:05 PM
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Doesn't mean they experimented with it.
- 09/12/2009 08:48:23 PM
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Rebels had no reason to research a way to break the oaths. Verin did.
- 10/12/2009 02:00:21 AM
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You're going at it upside-down.
- 10/12/2009 02:33:41 AM
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Verin should have figured it out
- 10/12/2009 03:03:14 AM
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Why?
- 10/12/2009 04:15:45 AM
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I was just rereading that section yesterday....
- 10/12/2009 10:52:23 AM
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It all seems intuitively obvious to me!
- 10/12/2009 07:58:46 PM
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I don't think those would work
- 09/12/2009 07:03:38 AM
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She should and could have found a better way.
- 09/12/2009 07:41:28 AM
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I always thought Masema was an irritating distraction and was glad he was killed quickly.
- 09/12/2009 03:53:44 AM
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- 09/12/2009 04:21:35 PM
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It's great to see you around again!
- 09/12/2009 07:06:45 AM
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Good to see you too.
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- 19/12/2009 06:12:11 AM
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Hee... gotta love zoos.
- 19/12/2009 06:18:35 AM
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Mine added up to many vet bills this week. 
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