Jordan is shallow. That doesn't keep him from being a fun read. I like eating McDonald's from time to time, but it's still crap. I am not changing my mind.
I am also not going to attempt to give you a crash course in Semitic and Sumerian linguistics. The proto-Semitic root L-Y-L is not the basis of the word "Lilith" and if you can't grasp that the root has the same essential meaning as the primary word derived from that root, I can't help you. I own the Sumerian Lexicon but I am not going to teach you how Sumerian works just to explain that you're not reading it right, or that Inanna (and Nanna, for that manner) are different from Enlil and Ninlil, and that Lilith is separate from both.
I have work to get back to. I've made my point.
I am also not going to attempt to give you a crash course in Semitic and Sumerian linguistics. The proto-Semitic root L-Y-L is not the basis of the word "Lilith" and if you can't grasp that the root has the same essential meaning as the primary word derived from that root, I can't help you. I own the Sumerian Lexicon but I am not going to teach you how Sumerian works just to explain that you're not reading it right, or that Inanna (and Nanna, for that manner) are different from Enlil and Ninlil, and that Lilith is separate from both.
I have work to get back to. I've made my point.
We're each entitled to our opinions of Jordan's work. I'm leery of equating words from later languages with those from earlier proto-languages precisely because simply looking or sounding the same doesn't make them identical, and two such examples will often have radically different meanings. That's probably why whoever put together the Wikipedia article included both the "night" and "wind" translations, though the role the wind demons in question played was an exclusively nocturnal one so it may not make much difference in the end.
Meanwhile, you've told me what the "itud" element appended to the "lil" one isn't, but not what it is, and if we're to discuss lilitu demons it seems only right to consider both elements rather than the first only. Hence I consulted an online version of the work you own, which seems to say plainly and clearly that the association is "moon." You dispute this on the basis of your own scholarship and sources, which is perfectly fine, but it also implies you know what it means instead, something you haven't deigned to share, so I think I can be forgiven for accepting the only meaning so far offered by anyone, however hotly disputed. I might be skeptical if you tell me black is white, but if you simply tell me black isn't black, well, what would you conclude in my place?
The Wheel of Time's Great Themes, Edited to Include Those I See.
06/12/2009 05:58:08 AM
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So, What Are They?
06/12/2009 09:36:56 AM
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Putting names into a blender isn't the same as weaving together great themes.
06/12/2009 03:17:05 PM
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No, Indeed It Is Not.
06/12/2009 04:37:23 PM
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Oh my God...trying to use agape in context of this series is overkill to the nth degree.
07/12/2009 04:12:56 AM
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Jordan May Not Always Execute It Well, But I Believe It's There (Now We Face Details in TGS.)
07/12/2009 04:28:05 PM
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Read what Larry's Short History of Fantasy says about Jordan.
07/12/2009 05:56:03 PM
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I Have to Agree With Fionwe's View the Characters Are Deeper.
08/12/2009 04:19:07 PM
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I'm done with this thread.
08/12/2009 06:21:41 PM
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Fair Enough.
08/12/2009 07:02:04 PM
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If it were just about Jordan I could ignore this last ridiculous comment.
09/12/2009 03:56:47 PM
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Louis La'mour said about himself he wasn't an author so much as a storyteller...
06/12/2009 03:41:09 PM
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Ha. Funny, I feel the same way, and come to the opposite conclusion.
08/12/2009 08:42:41 AM
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I've never been able to finish the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Too boring, with fairy tale characters
09/12/2009 12:28:26 PM
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That Is a Great Shame.
09/12/2009 01:27:44 PM
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I enjoyed the Silmarrilion though...the part about the Valar and their comparative strengths...
09/12/2009 01:39:47 PM
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That's.. too bad, I guess?
09/12/2009 08:40:49 PM
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Seems to me you've inverted it.
08/12/2009 08:48:07 AM
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One Way or the Other Their WoT Origin Must Be the Stories We Know (Slight Spoiler Alert.)
08/12/2009 03:18:30 PM
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I don't really see any "great" themes per se, just an enjoyable story, like the pulp serials.
07/12/2009 03:32:43 PM
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I Think He Set Out to Write Epic Fantasy, Yes.
08/12/2009 04:25:36 PM
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