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Re: So, where DO you place Demandred, then? Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/12/2009 04:21:22 AM
We can safely assume that Demandred was behind Dragonsworn and Masema in the first place. Then, why not Demandred who commanded to kill Perrin to Masema?


Lanfear always believed that she and Rand should be worshipped as gods. When Rand fought above Falme she was present in that last scene, and Masema turned crazy shortly after that. We also know from Semirhage that Lanfear likes to interfere and cause devastation. It's likely that Lanfear was trying to create the 'army' that would worship Rand when she and he ruled the world together. Either worship the Lord Dragon or die, as Masema said.

Graendal said that Cyndane was in the south causing trouble and recruiting for the Final Battle. Around this time, the Dragon Reborn appeared to Masema as a godly light which is a perversion of Rand that Cyndane both loved and hated. We also know from Graendal that Cyndane was trying to get the ta'veren killed, so it's likely she went after Perrin through Masema, as Moridin commanded.


You've previously stated that he is not in Shara, since Graendal was there. I suspect you also don't believe in the Land of the Madmen theory, and now you've discounted him as the Forsaken appearing to Masema.

So, what DO you think Demandred has been doing over the course of 12 books, and why do you think RJ's built up such a big mystery around it?


I have no idea what Demandred's being doing, or where he is. Not even the Chosen know, so what chance do I have?

There are many theories out there about Demandred, and most have the same probability of success. He could be in one of the remaining nations, but I consider all of those to be insubstantial relative to Rand and Moridin's own personal power. He could also be in one of Rand's nations busy turning the tide on the place - like Tear or Andor, or Seanchan. Or maybe he's in a parallel world gathering an army - he could have Travelled there or gone via a portal stone.
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Is Demandred able to transpose his personality onto his servants, with a Compulsion type of weave? Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:26:44 AM 1383 Views
I Think It's Just a Natural Reaction. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 10:05:47 AM 653 Views
IMO RJ shot down Taimandred in order to surprise us. But you make good points. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/12/2009 10:17:56 AM 415 Views
Personally I think... Etzel - 06/12/2009 10:48:40 AM 646 Views
I not only agree with your Arangar theory, I think it is undoubtedly true... Shannow - 06/12/2009 11:55:25 AM 667 Views
Indeed Etzel - 06/12/2009 01:10:49 PM 561 Views
I posted a theory at the old wotmania that maybe he is "linked" to Demandred. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:23:09 PM 531 Views
Very plausible, except BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:39:41 PM 540 Views
Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin? Shannow - 06/12/2009 05:55:44 PM 577 Views
Re: Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:00:15 PM 600 Views
If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:04:37 PM 701 Views
Re: If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene... Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:16:58 PM 640 Views
You miss my point entirely... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:24:05 PM 548 Views
Re: You miss my point entirely... Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:31:30 PM 567 Views
Agreed ... this seems just a hangover from Taimandred theory to me darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:33:32 PM 637 Views
Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:37:42 PM 646 Views
Re: Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn... Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:11:19 PM 624 Views
very well said darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:15:22 PM 541 Views
A few points... Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:24:09 PM 501 Views
You are making an assumption that Demandred could have done all this is a few months darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:18:43 PM 495 Views
Yes, I am assuming that... Shannow - 06/12/2009 08:34:40 PM 552 Views
But you are missing a couple of key points darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 02:12:04 AM 629 Views
Joiya was bullshitting anyway. She couldn't possibly betray her Oaths. fionwe1987 - 07/12/2009 02:46:13 AM 564 Views
Yes Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:26:21 AM 519 Views
While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:48:41 PM 499 Views
Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:39:05 PM 608 Views
Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless Lord Haart - 07/12/2009 05:25:42 PM 531 Views
I'll have to go back and check, but I could have sworn there was an Aiel thing too darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 09:14:29 PM 453 Views
and let's not forget all the old tongue titles he throws around darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 07:07:56 PM 468 Views
Start a new line of posts so it's easier to read. Thanks. *NM* BlackAdder - 08/12/2009 05:40:41 AM 256 Views
An alternate theory on his AOL mannerisms... Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:08:50 PM 502 Views
Where did I say any of that? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:20:24 PM 613 Views
Actually... Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:19:36 PM 554 Views
Taim is wearing Moridin's livery at the end of KoD. *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 01:56:09 AM 528 Views
No Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:10:42 PM 607 Views
Why Cyndane? Skeeve the Great - 06/12/2009 06:17:02 PM 498 Views
Re: Why Cyndane? Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:24:14 PM 707 Views
So, where DO you place Demandred, then? Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:52:05 PM 550 Views
Re: So, where DO you place Demandred, then? Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:21:22 AM 591 Views
Besides... Etzel - 07/12/2009 12:05:16 PM 525 Views
100 Ashaman, plus the Dragonsworn, plus the Whitecloaks, plus Murandy would be an achievement... Shannow - 07/12/2009 12:49:31 PM 523 Views
Probably over 100, plus he picks the most powerful of them. Lord Haart - 07/12/2009 02:34:25 PM 473 Views
An alternate explanation - Fain's influence Lord Haart - 12/12/2009 04:19:49 PM 616 Views
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