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Here is what RJ said about it Etzel Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM
Was posted by him on his Blog:
"The Oath against lying does leave room for sarcasm. It is intent and result that matter. No sister can intentionally speak an untruth either with the intent of passing on false information or with the belief that false information might be passed on. Thus the careful slicing and dicing of words. But if someone were to hold up a piece of white cloth and ask whether it was black or white, someone who had sworn the Three Oaths would be capable of saying that it was black as a matter of sarcasm. But not if, for example, the person asking the question was blind and thus might well take the statement for truth rather than sarcasm."
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Cadsuane lies! - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2022 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1226 Views
Sarcasm is one thing - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 948 Views
I disagree - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 904 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 865 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 904 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 415 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 959 Views
Yes, she did state it. - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 883 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 847 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 800 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 859 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 726 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 715 Views
^This. *NM* - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 397 Views
Because it isn't a lie - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 869 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 860 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 706 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 790 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 887 Views
Quote for you - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 826 Views
Re: Quote for you - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 747 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 666 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 724 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 684 Views
Not at all the case - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 771 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 831 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 623 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 705 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 670 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 706 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 928 Views
Sarcasm - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 902 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 697 Views
Here is what RJ said about it - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 847 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 370 Views
Like my momma used to say... - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 742 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 642 Views
Agreed. - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 651 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 680 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 992 Views
No, no it doesn't. - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 654 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 695 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 648 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 694 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 678 Views
Where's the problem? - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 610 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 665 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 675 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 875 Views
PS You misread my original quote - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 614 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 584 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 680 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 788 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 741 Views
We are starting understand each other - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 704 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 642 Views
Completely agree - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 700 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 300 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 627 Views

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