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How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM
If she had said she hadn't noticed outright without any sarcasm then it would be more debatable.


Her statement, sacrastic or not is still a lie... how does this not violate the 1st Oath?

aslong as they know they aren't decieving anyone.


The oath reads "To speak no word that is not true"

And is New Spring Siuan was stopped from saying something about how hard her work was to Moiraine, despite the fact that she would not have been deceiving Moiraine with her words... doesn't seem consistent to me!
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Cadsuane lies! darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:10:41 PM 2252 Views
Re: Cadsuane lies! joepo - 06/12/2009 06:18:39 PM 1452 Views
Sarcasm is one thing Ryan - 06/12/2009 06:43:12 PM 1167 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:51:27 PM 1119 Views
RJ has said they're allowed to be sarcastic TheCrownless - 06/12/2009 07:07:32 PM 1070 Views
How does that jive with the Oaths? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:13:21 PM 1132 Views
Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying *NM* Deadsy - 06/12/2009 07:53:31 PM 519 Views
Re: Good point, but in that same book Tamra said that Gitara didn't say anything before dying DomA - 06/12/2009 08:03:36 PM 1173 Views
Yes, she did state it. Deadsy - 06/12/2009 08:57:47 PM 1087 Views
Re: Yes, she did state it. DomA - 07/12/2009 01:39:07 AM 1076 Views
Re: How does that jive with the Oaths? DomA - 06/12/2009 07:57:10 PM 1032 Views
The Oaths focus on INTENT beetnemesis - 06/12/2009 10:01:27 PM 1108 Views
None of what you describe is an Oath ingrained into your bones. darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 01:52:49 AM 946 Views
It's ENTIRELY about self-rationalization Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 03:59:00 AM 911 Views
^This. *NM* Nate - 07/12/2009 08:23:27 AM 529 Views
Because it isn't a lie DomA - 06/12/2009 07:44:29 PM 1100 Views
I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:08:15 PM 1077 Views
Verin didn't say it sarcastically. Darth_Katie - 06/12/2009 08:11:31 PM 906 Views
Really? I never would have known that without you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:39:56 PM 1016 Views
Re: I understand this, I'm not arguing that an AS should not be able to be sarcastic DomA - 06/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 1116 Views
Quote for you darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:42:52 PM 1051 Views
Re: Quote for you DomA - 07/12/2009 01:30:57 AM 961 Views
The sarcasm was for him repeating himself to her. The "remember" is the part she's refering to. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 10:15:06 AM 882 Views
That's why I think this example of sarcasm works as opposed to Cadsuane who makes a false statement darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:17:52 PM 947 Views
sarcasm is sarcasm. In both instances their is technically a lie. Onarishma - 07/12/2009 11:28:02 PM 896 Views
Not at all the case darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 11:58:42 PM 979 Views
Do you really believe he waited till the last minute to tell Seonid? Onarishma - 14/12/2009 01:32:37 PM 1057 Views
That's the whole point of her being able to say what she did! darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 04:05:24 PM 839 Views
What about the Sheriam thing? Legolas - 07/12/2009 01:49:32 PM 973 Views
Re: What about the Sheriam thing? DomA - 07/12/2009 02:15:25 PM 859 Views
But surely an Aes Sedai can answer a question she hasn't fully heard yet. Legolas - 07/12/2009 03:06:34 PM 1086 Views
I actually don't take it as proof. Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:00:58 PM 909 Views
Yeah, I thought about that possibility too... Legolas - 07/12/2009 10:21:16 PM 1198 Views
Sarcasm Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:14:47 PM 1130 Views
It's obviously meant to be sarcasm, I just don't like darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:18:40 PM 922 Views
Here is what RJ said about it Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:41:18 PM 1077 Views
Well I have to say I think RJ made the wrong call with this one *NM* darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:43:47 PM 466 Views
Like my momma used to say... Mat_Cauthon33 - 06/12/2009 11:27:22 PM 973 Views
Your momma is a wise woman. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/12/2009 03:14:27 PM 885 Views
Agreed. johnnymack - 07/12/2009 01:45:39 AM 882 Views
You can already drive a truck through the oaths. Does this one additional tiny gap really matter? Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 04:07:16 AM 917 Views
Alys (Moiraine alias) *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 05:13:18 AM 1231 Views
No, no it doesn't. johnnymack - 08/12/2009 03:31:11 PM 873 Views
Re: No, no it doesn't. Nameless Ashaman - 08/12/2009 04:41:42 PM 900 Views
what do you think a RL lie detector would tell in this case? redhand - 07/12/2009 12:27:07 PM 852 Views
in RL you would get warned by the investigator to cooperate AgentOrange - 07/12/2009 01:04:33 PM 884 Views
But how would the machine reading indicate? redhand - 07/12/2009 07:04:22 PM 889 Views
Usually you're s'possed to answer with a yes or no. It's easy to tell when you're evasive AgentOrange - 09/12/2009 10:46:58 PM 928 Views
Where's the problem? Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 04:18:40 PM 830 Views
It's in the way the Oath is worded darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 05:14:39 PM 889 Views
Re: It's in the way the Oath is worded Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 05:36:59 PM 894 Views
See the Cadsuane quote, but I'll give you another one darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 06:15:32 PM 1091 Views
PS You misread my original quote darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 11:00:56 PM 823 Views
You're so right. My fault. *NM* Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 12:57:29 AM 828 Views
No worries! It a discussion forum, we're supposed to discuss darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 12:58:39 AM 946 Views
Re: PS You misread my original quote taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 10:04:51 PM 1011 Views
Lies, untruths, sarcasm, and meaning Shadowkiller - 09/12/2009 07:46:25 PM 961 Views
We are starting understand each other darius_sedai - 09/12/2009 10:09:41 PM 927 Views
Re: We are starting understand each other Shadowkiller - 10/12/2009 01:03:08 AM 853 Views
Completely agree darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 921 Views
Why do you think she *had* noticed the Aiel? *NM* Lord Haart - 14/12/2009 02:02:24 PM 395 Views
because she arrived with Rand and dozens of Maidens, darius_sedai - 15/12/2009 01:02:43 AM 852 Views
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