Re: Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn...
Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 07:11:19 PM
Taim cannot be Moridin. Moridin wasn't reborn when Taim first appeared in Caemlyn because if he was, then the LoC plan would not have been communicated to Demandred, but to Moridin himself. And Moridin would have told the rest about it, not Demandred.
And since Graendal states that Moridin is now spending all his time in the Blight, how is he posing as Taim? And is Taim falling over and throwing up each time Rand channels?
It is ludicrous to still believe that Taim is Moridin.
As for the livery, who is to say that this isn't the general livery of the Shadow now? Certainly Taim's Fist and Lightning banner is the exact same one that Sammael used.
As for the Let the Lord of Chaos Rule statement, it was DEMANDRED who was the original proponent of that plan, if you recall.
I think Taim has been reigned in by Moridin in the same way that ALL of the Chosen have been reigned in. But the fact remains that Moridin wasn't around when the Tower was founded, and he would hardly have sent Dashiva there if he was already posing as Taim himself.
And since Graendal states that Moridin is now spending all his time in the Blight, how is he posing as Taim? And is Taim falling over and throwing up each time Rand channels?
It is ludicrous to still believe that Taim is Moridin.
As for the livery, who is to say that this isn't the general livery of the Shadow now? Certainly Taim's Fist and Lightning banner is the exact same one that Sammael used.
As for the Let the Lord of Chaos Rule statement, it was DEMANDRED who was the original proponent of that plan, if you recall.
I think Taim has been reigned in by Moridin in the same way that ALL of the Chosen have been reigned in. But the fact remains that Moridin wasn't around when the Tower was founded, and he would hardly have sent Dashiva there if he was already posing as Taim himself.
Who else has the black and red livery besides Moridin? They are mentioned again in TGS, and Moridin even adorns his servants, Moghedien and Cyndane in them. None of the other Chosen wear those colours. It's a very strong hint regarding the Black Tower that Taim's palace is decked in those colours.
We don't know when Moridin was reborn, but by the time he appeared he already had saa. Just because he revealed himself at some point doesn't mean he was reborn at that point too. I find it amusing reading that Demandred was the proponent of the Lord of Chaos plan. Even Graendal was called to Shayol Ghul at that time and she believed she was offered the position of Nae'blis. Whatever Demandred has ever known in the Shadow, Ishamael/Moridin has known first. Ishamael released the Lord of Chaos plan in the War of Power, and the other Chosen are smug because 3,000 years later they finally understand what it means.
I don't think there's much point debating this aspect of the series. RJ and Brandon mark Moridin's presence with red/black as surely as a fingerprint. Taim may not be Moridin as linda_sedai believes, but he's one of his minions and he commands the Tower.
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Is Demandred able to transpose his personality onto his servants, with a Compulsion type of weave?
- 06/12/2009 07:26:44 AM
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IMO RJ shot down Taimandred in order to surprise us. But you make good points. *NM*
- 06/12/2009 10:17:56 AM
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Personally I think...
- 06/12/2009 10:48:40 AM
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I not only agree with your Arangar theory, I think it is undoubtedly true...
- 06/12/2009 11:55:25 AM
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I posted a theory at the old wotmania that maybe he is "linked" to Demandred.
- 06/12/2009 03:23:09 PM
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Very plausible, except
- 06/12/2009 05:39:41 PM
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Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin?
- 06/12/2009 05:55:44 PM
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Re: Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin?
- 06/12/2009 06:00:15 PM
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If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene...
- 06/12/2009 06:04:37 PM
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Re: If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene...
- 06/12/2009 06:16:58 PM
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You miss my point entirely...
- 06/12/2009 06:24:05 PM
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Re: You miss my point entirely...
- 06/12/2009 06:31:30 PM
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Agreed ... this seems just a hangover from Taimandred theory to me
- 06/12/2009 06:33:32 PM
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Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn...
- 06/12/2009 06:37:42 PM
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Re: Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn...
- 06/12/2009 07:11:19 PM
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A few points...
- 06/12/2009 07:24:09 PM
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You are making an assumption that Demandred could have done all this is a few months
- 06/12/2009 08:18:43 PM
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Yes, I am assuming that...
- 06/12/2009 08:34:40 PM
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But you are missing a couple of key points
- 07/12/2009 02:12:04 AM
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Joiya was bullshitting anyway. She couldn't possibly betray her Oaths.
- 07/12/2009 02:46:13 AM
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Yes
- 07/12/2009 04:26:21 AM
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While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless
- 07/12/2009 03:48:41 PM
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Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless
- 07/12/2009 04:39:05 PM
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Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless
- 07/12/2009 05:25:42 PM
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I'll have to go back and check, but I could have sworn there was an Aiel thing too
- 07/12/2009 09:14:29 PM
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No
- 06/12/2009 06:10:42 PM
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Why Cyndane?
- 06/12/2009 06:17:02 PM
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Re: Why Cyndane?
- 06/12/2009 06:24:14 PM
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Besides...
- 07/12/2009 12:05:16 PM
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100 Ashaman, plus the Dragonsworn, plus the Whitecloaks, plus Murandy would be an achievement...
- 07/12/2009 12:49:31 PM
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