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If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene... Shannow Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 06:04:37 PM
Those Asha'man (Rochaid, Kisman) were probably acting under authority of Taim, who appears to be acting under authority of Moridin (not Demandred).


If Moridin was in charge of Taim, why would Graendal say that Dashiva and Demandred were tasked to keep an eye on Rand?



Because Dashiva was actually part of Rand's entourage at that time, and it's possible that Demandred was operating in the South near Illian/Tear or could potentially be posing as one of the various Nobles close to Rand.

Plenty of options!


If you use Dashiva's presence at the Black Tower as evidence that Moridin was running it, then you should also say that Moridin was in control of Egwene through Arangar, which wasn't the case. Arangar was pretty much running her show just as much as Semirhage was running her show in Seanchan, and Mesaana was running the White Tower.

In the same way, Dashiva was at the Black Tower, but he only arrived there in Book 7, long after it was established.

And in tGS Graendal states that Moridin was limiting himself to the Blight, and didn't get involved in anything in the South.

So who was running the Black Tower before Dashiva arrived, after Dashiva joined Rand, and after Dashiva's death?

If Demandred isn't doing it, then the only alternative is that Taim is left to do it himself.
This message last edited by Shannow on 06/12/2009 at 06:05:41 PM
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Is Demandred able to transpose his personality onto his servants, with a Compulsion type of weave? Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:26:44 AM 1382 Views
I Think It's Just a Natural Reaction. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 10:05:47 AM 653 Views
IMO RJ shot down Taimandred in order to surprise us. But you make good points. *NM* Lord Haart - 06/12/2009 10:17:56 AM 415 Views
Personally I think... Etzel - 06/12/2009 10:48:40 AM 646 Views
I not only agree with your Arangar theory, I think it is undoubtedly true... Shannow - 06/12/2009 11:55:25 AM 667 Views
Indeed Etzel - 06/12/2009 01:10:49 PM 560 Views
I posted a theory at the old wotmania that maybe he is "linked" to Demandred. Tom - 06/12/2009 03:23:09 PM 530 Views
Very plausible, except BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:39:41 PM 540 Views
Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin? Shannow - 06/12/2009 05:55:44 PM 577 Views
Re: Why is Taim believed to be directed by Moridin? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:00:15 PM 600 Views
If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:04:37 PM 700 Views
Re: If you base it on Osangar, then you should also say Moridin was in charge of Egwene... Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:16:58 PM 638 Views
You miss my point entirely... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:24:05 PM 547 Views
Re: You miss my point entirely... Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:31:30 PM 567 Views
Agreed ... this seems just a hangover from Taimandred theory to me darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:33:32 PM 636 Views
Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:37:42 PM 646 Views
Re: Moridin didn't EXIST when Taim first arrived in Caemlyn... Sidious - 06/12/2009 07:11:19 PM 624 Views
very well said darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 07:15:22 PM 541 Views
A few points... Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:24:09 PM 501 Views
You are making an assumption that Demandred could have done all this is a few months darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 08:18:43 PM 495 Views
Yes, I am assuming that... Shannow - 06/12/2009 08:34:40 PM 551 Views
But you are missing a couple of key points darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 02:12:04 AM 628 Views
Joiya was bullshitting anyway. She couldn't possibly betray her Oaths. fionwe1987 - 07/12/2009 02:46:13 AM 562 Views
Yes Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:26:21 AM 518 Views
While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 03:48:41 PM 498 Views
Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:39:05 PM 608 Views
Re: While I agree on most of it I have to ask how Taim picked up AoL mannerisms unless Lord Haart - 07/12/2009 05:25:42 PM 529 Views
I'll have to go back and check, but I could have sworn there was an Aiel thing too darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 09:14:29 PM 453 Views
and let's not forget all the old tongue titles he throws around darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 07:07:56 PM 468 Views
Start a new line of posts so it's easier to read. Thanks. *NM* BlackAdder - 08/12/2009 05:40:41 AM 256 Views
An alternate theory on his AOL mannerisms... Nameless Ashaman - 07/12/2009 09:08:50 PM 502 Views
Where did I say any of that? darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 06:20:24 PM 613 Views
Actually... Etzel - 06/12/2009 07:19:36 PM 554 Views
Taim is wearing Moridin's livery at the end of KoD. *NM* BlackAdder - 07/12/2009 01:56:09 AM 528 Views
No Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:10:42 PM 607 Views
Why Cyndane? Skeeve the Great - 06/12/2009 06:17:02 PM 497 Views
Re: Why Cyndane? Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:24:14 PM 707 Views
So, where DO you place Demandred, then? Shannow - 06/12/2009 07:52:05 PM 550 Views
Re: So, where DO you place Demandred, then? Sidious - 07/12/2009 04:21:22 AM 589 Views
Besides... Etzel - 07/12/2009 12:05:16 PM 524 Views
100 Ashaman, plus the Dragonsworn, plus the Whitecloaks, plus Murandy would be an achievement... Shannow - 07/12/2009 12:49:31 PM 523 Views
Probably over 100, plus he picks the most powerful of them. Lord Haart - 07/12/2009 02:34:25 PM 473 Views
An alternate explanation - Fain's influence Lord Haart - 12/12/2009 04:19:49 PM 616 Views
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