Active Users:1152 Time:23/11/2024 02:31:08 AM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
Balefire doesn't work that way... Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 06/12/2009 08:06:38 AM
She puts Ramshalan in a locked room before she Compels him. In order to Compel him, she goes to the room and orders the jailer to unlock the room for her. She then enters the room and Compels Ramshalan. She immediately flees the palace.

Then, when Rand balefires the palace, the jailer dies. His actions are erased and therefore he was never able to open the door for Graendal, and thus she was never able to Compel Ramshalan. The Compulsion therefore vanishes, making Rand think she's dead.


But for the fun of annoying ourselves over temporal paradoxes, let's suppose it did. Because the jailer never opened the door of the room in which Ramshalan was locked in, Ramshalan never exited the palace and never went back to Rand, so not only could they not see Graendal's Compulsion disappear, but Ramshalan would not confirm Graendal's presence so Rand would not balefire the palace. Paradox!

Alternatively, Garendal, when her jailer fails in bringing her Ramshalan, finds another way to go Compel him, or else falls to the floor and suicides because she was defeated in her designs to Compel some random Third Age noble by a plain, inanimate door.

I hate balefire in all it's forms .
The first rule of being a ninja is "do no harm". Unless you intend to do harm, then do lots of harm.
~Master Splinter

Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
Reply to message
Graendal: What would you do when a man appears at your door? Syraelle - 06/12/2009 03:37:39 AM 1147 Views
I tend to agree darius_sedai - 06/12/2009 03:46:37 AM 621 Views
Re: I tend to agree Syraelle - 06/12/2009 04:01:22 AM 723 Views
I love the idea of a third person involved. Bryce - 06/12/2009 06:35:51 AM 648 Views
Delana!!! guttering flame - 09/12/2009 08:35:40 PM 555 Views
I think the weaving was too complex for a n00b like Delana. Nynaeve's comments point to Graendal. BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 10:52:55 PM 491 Views
I was assuming Delana was mind-dead compulsed to weave the complex weaves by guttering flame - 10/12/2009 06:34:09 AM 569 Views
Ah, so you're proposing that BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 04:29:34 AM 692 Views
Re: Ah, so you're proposing that Syraelle - 06/12/2009 04:53:45 AM 650 Views
I agree BlackAdder - 06/12/2009 05:09:33 AM 543 Views
She wouldn't have to know when he was going to BF her palace Rurouni_Kenshin - 09/12/2009 06:46:05 AM 484 Views
It wouldn't work that way BlackAdder - 09/12/2009 04:32:48 PM 490 Views
Possible way in which Graendal could have survived... Shannow - 06/12/2009 06:11:11 AM 721 Views
Makes sense. Good points all around. Bryce - 06/12/2009 06:37:21 AM 731 Views
Re: Possible way in which Graendal could have survived... Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:39:24 AM 650 Views
Balefire doesn't work that way... Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2009 08:06:38 AM 640 Views
Re: Graendal: What would you do when a man appears at your door? Sidious - 06/12/2009 06:33:58 AM 694 Views
Re: Graendal: What would you do when a man appears at your door? Itachi - 09/12/2009 11:44:17 PM 464 Views
Re: Graendal: What would you do when a man appears at your door? Syraelle - 15/12/2009 02:48:31 PM 476 Views
We're going to see Graendal's plan in ToM, including her interaction with Ramshalan. Marshall - 06/12/2009 08:03:33 AM 559 Views
From the author's perspective... Etzel - 06/12/2009 11:05:16 AM 711 Views
Re: From the author's perspective... Syraelle - 06/12/2009 05:38:09 PM 571 Views
She'd have had to ask the right questions to get the right answers. Master Radishes - 07/12/2009 12:44:29 AM 602 Views
Re: She'd have had to ask the right questions to get the right answers. Syraelle - 07/12/2009 02:18:07 AM 500 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes