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Re: Hmmm... darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 30/11/2009 05:50:37 AM

Elza says that Cadsuane must be using an angreal because she's drawing more than she and Merise combined. This leads me to believe that Cadsuane is less powerful than 2 Sisters.


Yet we have no context on how much more than the two of them combined she is channeling.... we also know she spends the whole day repelling FS attacks, via her shield, so in theory she's much stronger than simply Elza and Merise combined!


Yes, but I'm saying that people aren't going wild about her strength. Your quote is valid though.


Yet she is the only Novice mentioned aside from Sharina, Elle, Jancy and Nicola... she's clearly being made much over.

Be'lal may have a way to feel their strength - we know that Rahvin described the strength of an Aes Sedai he was using to Lanfear. Then again, Demandred relies on Mesaana to tell him about Cyndane. On the other hand, perhaps it requires a weave and he would not risk channeling directly at Cyndane. Many possibilities


I think you are stretching the text here. Much more likely is that one of the women told Be'lal how strong the three were. As for Rhavin, he could have also heard via BA sources, thus far in the series there is nothing discovered that allows men and women to know the relative strength of the opposite sex.

Moghedien addresses Elayne and Nynaeve, but it's Nynaeve who takes most of her notice. If you're a normal sized guy and you come across two men, one 6"5 and one 8", then you correctly remark that both are very tall, but especially the 8" guy. There's no way that the 6"5 person would elicit that degree of shock even if he is uncommon.


Again, you're speculating to make the text say something that simply isn't there. Moghedien laughs off the BA around her, yet makes note of Elaynes strength. While it's obvious that Nynaeve is the strongest, Elayne's strength is so far above the standard AS as to be noticeable.

And yet Kiruna is confident that six Aes Sedai could not overwhelm him. This is confirmed by historical texts that show that six women could not overwhelm a strong male.


Vague and often inaccurate histories! Kiruna's about as credible as Moiraine, and for the record she's wrong, 6 AS hold Rand's shield without problem.

Strength is an issue in dueling. You merely saw the extremes fighting one another - one with incredible skill, and one with incredible strength but little skill. There are countless examples in the series where strength is a large issue when estimating an opponent. The best would be in NS when Moiraine duels Merean, and says that the stronger woman is much harder to fight.


Yet 100% of Alivia's skill is in combat, not to mention the ter'angreal in her possession made the situation even more lopsided! Moiraine v. Merean is a bad example for several reasons... 1. Merean is much older (probably above 200) and vastly more skilled. 2. Merean is not restricted by the Oaths and is thus able to kill people Moiraine is trying to protect! 3. The battle is in no way a straight up duel since Merean is busy killing innocent by-standers!

Conjecture. Egwene isn't even as strong as six linked Aes Sedai. If 3 or 4 linked women could match the Forsaken at the cleansing, you're effectively saying that Egwene could overwhelm one of them, which is clearly not true. Egwene has never claimed to be on that level, and never could be. Egwene may be the most skilled Aes Sedai by a long shot, but it's probably that most, if not all, of the Forsaken are still vastly more skilled in saidar.


Fair enough, I am speculating. But you misunderstand my 6 AS point ... I don't think Egwene can come close to the raw power of 6 linked women. I think she would be more effective in single combat than 6 AS. Her skill alone would keep her in the game against the likes of Semirhage for a while.

I think Egwene could hold her own against Moghedien and possibly Mesaana (assuming she is only one level about Mogs). She could probably hold out for a while against Nynaeve based on the skill levels, but wouldn't be able to deal with Semirhage or above (3+ levels). On the flip side 6 linked AS wouldn't be much more powerful than Alivia was when facing Cyndane, and they would have none of the ter'angreal to help and very little in combat skill.

We don't know what Semirhage saw when she evaluated Cadsuane.


We know she took note of the *angreal net she wears. But my point is that Semirhage would have been been less impressed by Cadsuane if she had Moiraine level strength. Cadsuane is impressive for many reasons, one of them is her strength.


KoD (Embers falling on dry grass) - ... Silviana was far from weak; there was no hope that she could break the woman's shield."


Egwene is exhausted in this scene! She could barely Channel at all... hardly a credible situation.

Amy's strength varies between Sheriam's and Moiraine's.


Which makes her at least equal to Silviana! No way Silviana could hold Egwene alone.

No it doesn't. It shows that concentration and preparation are essential in channeling and can greatly weaken a weave. Nynaeve saw herself naked and lashed out at Elayne and failed. Meanwhile, we know that she can shield women even of her own strength.

It's similar to Moghedien's chapter where she weaves Compulsion on the innkeeper prior to balefiring Nynaeve. She says it's a hasty web with precipitous effects that could leave the woman dimwitted, but she has no time for finesse. A weave isn't just a weave. By preparing a shield too well, Egwene actually stilled Amico.


I don't see how these situations equate... IMO there are too many conflicting quotes around this topic to make for anything approaching conclusiveness.
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