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Yeah... I've been chuckling at this whole thread Sidious Send a noteboard - 21/11/2009 10:23:51 AM
One, he doesn't have to go down to the Mariana trench.

He can make the gateways a couple of hundred feet below sea level, from the deck of a ship for ultimate comfort.

And since when did learning a place mean learning a place couple of hundred feet below you?
And don't tell me he can open gateway from ship to sea bed, then another into space! His ship will be flooded instantly if he does that.
Once sea levels have dropped sufficiently, he can make new gateways at a lower level, and so repeat this rather effortless assault on the planet's climate.

The same problems are going to face him even then!

Two, if he descends to the "Mariana trench" in a sphere of air, for example, he doesn't have to make the gateway right next to himself. Rand can make weaves up to 5 miles away, in FoH.

Uh... what? Where is this? He can't even see five miles away to weave something there, let alone know a place five miles away by standing on one place!
Never knew you were in the business of manufacturing hyperbolic nonsense to cover your point.
Even if Ishamael can only make a weave 1 mile away, that still gives him plenty of room to rise to the surface again without any danger.

I think you're unaware of the kind of forces we're talking about here. This is water going from high pressure to an infinite vacuum. Its simply going to explode out of the gateway, promptly becoming gaseous. And the shock waves of the explosion will definitely carry more than a mile. And who knows if even Ishamael can ward against such forces?
And three, he can just make Deathgates that start close to the surface of the water and gradually move around, going deeper and deeper. That's the easiest solution of all. Only, he won't make them with random openings, he will make them all open into space.

Assuming these Deathgates can be made non-random, they will eventually reach the sea bed an cut through it, now poring out magma into space, but also opening up holes in the earths crust to allow the water to go there, flash into vapour, and move up into the atmosphere.
I'm not even going to try to predict what exactly will happen at such a point. With the earth losing so much mass so quickly, who knows how its orbit with the sun, and the moon's orbit, will be affected?
Civilization will probably end up getting destroyed, but will that mean it is the end of time? Even if humankind is extinct, the DO may not get free. After all, we saw mirror worlds with no humanity, and total destruction, yet the DO wasn't free in those.
There. That's three solutions in less than 3 minutes. I'm sure you could think of even more if you actually tried before just blasting away at the theory just because you felt like it.

And if you'd thought a little beyond "I want cool villains", you'd have seen the ludicrous nature of your "ideas".


They're probably both wrong. Shannow actually thinks these tactics would work. Fionwe thinks only RJ could think of ways to destroy the Shadow/Light with the Power.
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