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Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Logain Send a noteboard - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM

You admit Cyndane's strength reduction is unknown. So where you place Graendal determines where you place Cyndane too. How do you know Graendal is tougher than Nynaeve and Semirhage?


You're right, my thoughts on Moghedien and Lanfear's strengths would collapse, as would my thoughts on Alivia, Sharina and Nynaeve . You and Shannow are both fans of hyperbole.

At least I can sit back on Graendal's statement that a woman of greater strength is exceedingly rare, and her shock at finding Cyndane. What is your counter-evidence... that Semirhage is that rare woman? What is THAT based on?


Moghedien and Lanfear...no big deal. Everyone knows where they rank. That was kind of a low blow by you.

Graendal's statement about finding people stronger than her is suspect. I've pointed this out in a thread below, but so far not gotten a response yet. (I'm referring to my post with the 5 points). Anyway, do you think Graendal was being honest about only "very rare" people were stronger than her? That's Forsaken code for "I wish I were stronger than I really am." The Forsaken exaggerate their own strengths. And that is an RJ quote (well I paraphrased). The fact is, RJ said the Forsaken exaggerate their own powers.

As to where is my evidence about Graendal: BS' comments that only 6 people are above Nynaeve makes it more likely that Graendal is not one of them. That's my evidence. With Lanfear, Alivia, and Sharina absolutely above Nynaeve, then there's really only 3 unknown spots left to argue about.

You also haven't responded to my point below in the other post, about you having too many levels (eight) from Lanfear to Moghedien. That doesn't make sense. You need to bunch them up. Anyway, I await your response to my post below and then we can actually discuss this.
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Female Forsaken strength : a new post Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:12:35 PM 1638 Views
Except... Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:26:32 PM 679 Views
There's no evidence for that Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:31:17 PM 639 Views
I agree with Sidious - we have no evidence at this time, so she should remain off the list kcf - 19/11/2009 04:38:31 PM 636 Views
It's common sense Etzel - 19/11/2009 04:40:01 PM 619 Views
No, it's based on absolutely nothing Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:50:30 PM 651 Views
If you agree that there are stronger damane than Alivia... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:00:05 PM 570 Views
I didn't say that Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:07:33 PM 589 Views
Well, I think you are wrong... Etzel - 19/11/2009 05:35:27 PM 570 Views
Glad to have you back. Now for the arguments to start! Shannow - 19/11/2009 04:29:01 PM 698 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:47:12 PM 689 Views
Actually, you are the one placing Lanfear immensely high, my list reduced the strength difference... Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:05:18 PM 764 Views
But I'm not Sidious - 19/11/2009 05:17:05 PM 672 Views
Let me ask you this... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:13:12 PM 713 Views
Very good point *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 01:38:55 AM 302 Views
One possibility Rand al'Thor - 20/11/2009 03:18:55 AM 621 Views
All assumption Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:11:20 AM 566 Views
Why introduce that concept, if it is just of academic importance? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:41:54 AM 542 Views
You don't know the significance of it at all Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:14:46 PM 655 Views
Why? Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:17:51 PM 1183 Views
Re: Why? Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:30:50 PM 534 Views
How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:07:39 PM 570 Views
Re: How can you argue in such a way and still keep a straight face (presumably)... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:55:47 AM 551 Views
Is Graendal the only Forsaken NOT to overstate her own ability then? Shannow - 21/11/2009 01:53:28 PM 664 Views
Probably not in this case Sidious - 21/11/2009 11:34:25 PM 543 Views
Your rankings hinge ENTIRELY on whether you have Graendal correctly placed. Logain - 20/11/2009 03:24:22 PM 502 Views
Yeah... entirely Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:33:45 PM 526 Views
Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Logain - 20/11/2009 09:57:52 PM 550 Views
Re: Okay, "entirely" was a bad choice of word. Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:48:16 AM 613 Views
Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:30:27 PM 580 Views
*correction*Re: Let me ask you this... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:32:02 PM 550 Views
my comments w/ edit kcf - 19/11/2009 04:37:27 PM 631 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit Sidious - 19/11/2009 04:54:30 PM 701 Views
Re: my comments w/ edit lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:42:15 PM 506 Views
What ever happened to all teh info from wotmania? Especially the FAQs? *NM* callandor1000 - 19/11/2009 05:01:45 PM 388 Views
http://13depository.blogspot.com/ *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:31:01 PM 314 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 05:39:10 PM 650 Views
Re: Female Forsaken strength : a new post -- What about Dexterity?? Tedtheman - 19/11/2009 06:44:31 PM 661 Views
This perfectly matches my understanding of the situation. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 07:06:31 PM 526 Views
Seems good, except I'd bunch up the upper levels and place Nynaeve a little higher. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 09:46:16 PM 345 Views
Agreed! This make more sense than the previous list *NM* Basara - 20/11/2009 12:07:37 AM 348 Views
Too many levels Rurouni_Kenshin - 20/11/2009 01:48:24 AM 654 Views
You are completely right about too many levels. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:17:17 AM 540 Views
21 levels is largely a myth kcf - 20/11/2009 04:27:27 AM 535 Views
Re: 21 levels is largely a myth DomA - 20/11/2009 01:51:17 PM 672 Views
Thanks for the post. Interesting stuff there. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 03:14:12 PM 286 Views
That's good to know. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 07:56:41 PM 506 Views
I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. Logain - 20/11/2009 04:14:40 AM 643 Views
I thought of something else to support my upper limit theory on gateways Logain - 20/11/2009 01:53:05 PM 642 Views
Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:27:22 PM 671 Views
Re: Talaan is not stronger than Nynaeve Logain - 28/11/2009 10:05:15 PM 759 Views
Talaan has be channeling for 6 or 7 years darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 10:56:12 PM 573 Views
Re: I have to disagree for a couple of reasons. taura-tierno - 30/12/2009 12:37:40 AM 991 Views
Agree with nearly all Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:43:47 AM 542 Views
more hopefully to come kcf - 20/11/2009 08:15:00 PM 518 Views
Thanks KCF, that's a great question to ask. Shannow - 20/11/2009 08:28:32 PM 738 Views
I'm the same way. I should be studying for law school finals, but I'm distracted. *NM* Logain - 20/11/2009 09:45:46 PM 266 Views
A little more evidence that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 12:12:37 AM 538 Views
I agree that Graendal is the 2nd most powerful woman Forsaken darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 04:07:00 PM 506 Views
It's possible Logain - 30/11/2009 08:23:28 PM 509 Views
Re: It's possible darius_sedai - 01/12/2009 06:18:56 PM 618 Views
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