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Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. Shannow Send a noteboard - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM
That will settle eveything. As he seems pretty open about this stuff, we should get a clear answer.

He seems to think Cyndane's identity is this big secret that must be protected, which it isn't. We all know she's Lanfear. We aren't trying to trick him into revealing that. We're just interested in her comparative strength.
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2308 Views
Sounds good Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1189 Views
Re: Sounds good Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1266 Views
Re: Someryn Logain - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1235 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1131 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1243 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... Shannow - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1146 Views
As I understand it... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1246 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1287 Views
Agreed. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1101 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 895 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list kcf - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1178 Views
Re: Sounds good kcf - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1081 Views
Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:12:57 PM 1208 Views
Re: Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? kcf - 18/11/2009 07:15:22 PM 1330 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1084 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... kcf - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1114 Views
But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:26:17 PM 1172 Views
Re: But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. kcf - 18/11/2009 07:31:35 PM 1140 Views
That blows a heck of a lot of this theory out of the water... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:33:39 PM 1141 Views
it's possible, but I'd say unlikely kcf - 18/11/2009 07:34:32 PM 1161 Views
One problem... Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1279 Views
No... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1185 Views
That's not a problem. Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1144 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 1035 Views
Sorry buddy Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1148 Views
Re: Sorry buddy rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1085 Views
Are you able to give any more detail on Sanderson's answer to your Cyndane question? Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:02:17 PM 1140 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1325 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1381 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. Logain - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1194 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 632 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 650 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1219 Views
As late as CoS, Nynaeve states that she is not close to her full potential yet. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:04:47 PM 651 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. Wotmaniac Reborn - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 875 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 681 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. Gher - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1161 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 940 Views
Re: Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:07:05 PM 1174 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Tedtheman - 18/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 1030 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1095 Views
IMO... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1203 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1080 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1393 Views
That just doesn't make sense... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1196 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 660 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 1042 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 926 Views
Talaan, Alivia and Sharina reduced my estimation of Nynaeve dramatically... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:54:29 PM 1119 Views
All this can be explained by the fact that Nynaeve was yet to reach her potential. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:25:41 PM 1105 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1261 Views
Damane never recieve special status... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1072 Views
Good point... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1088 Views
Thing is... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1130 Views
Lanfear cannot even defeat Rand. Nynaeve wouldn't last a minute against him. Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:13:06 PM 1126 Views
And Rand couldn't defeat Lanfear. What's your point? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:26:06 PM 926 Views
He could. RJ stated it in a Q&A. Rand just couldn't bring himself to do it... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:45:18 PM 911 Views
But so could Lanfear, and both had angreal, confusing the situation considerably. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:47:25 PM 968 Views
My point was... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1124 Views
I agree *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 623 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1048 Views
Sera must be stronger... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1046 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1109 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1053 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1105 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1108 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 963 Views
You misunderstand me... Etzel - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1042 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1035 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:29 PM 1205 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 678 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 496 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 889 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1183 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 957 Views
I have one problem with your list. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1143 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 1000 Views
I totally agree. Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage. This was also confirmed by BS *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:56:30 PM 611 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1049 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. TaskmasterJack - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1074 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1155 Views
I think it goes like this: Logain - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1104 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. Logain - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1148 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1049 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1087 Views
Helpless at her strength at the time, or helpless at Egwene's full potential? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:26:15 PM 607 Views
Egwene was forced, so she was already at her full potential when she made this comment. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:45:08 PM 617 Views
I admit she was forced, but how does that guarantee she was at full strength? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 08:06:40 PM 624 Views
I'm 90% sure it is stated somewhere... *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:10:03 PM 606 Views
Egwene was at her full strength. Elayne comments on this in The Shadow Rising IIRC. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 08:34:37 PM 1155 Views
She only says that Egwene is stronger and had been forced darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 01:54:56 AM 1096 Views
Where does she say this? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1103 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1103 Views
Here are the quotes... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1111 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 1008 Views
I could say the same... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 1032 Views
So let me get this straight... Shannow - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 1036 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1085 Views
Look at it this way... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1049 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 976 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. Logain - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1142 Views
Totally disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1170 Views
Re: Totally disagree... Logain - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1061 Views
Males likely go like this... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 1029 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1037 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1126 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 989 Views
About the top 6... Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1063 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1122 Views
That's ridiculous... Shannow - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 1003 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1038 Views
Well... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1051 Views
This is getting idiotic... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1055 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1052 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 1013 Views
Graendal could not face down Rand. And if she thinks she can it is b/c she has an angreal. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:49:00 PM 581 Views
But Rand did not know of her angreal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 12:03:21 AM 584 Views
Rand knows he can beat Graendal in a heads-up-duel. Graendal knows she would lose. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 10:07:27 PM 620 Views
Disagreement Corwin - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1148 Views
Some more from Brandon... kcf - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1040 Views
So we're back where we started? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 852 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? kcf - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1144 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 995 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1077 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1153 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:55:51 PM 1000 Views
we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:36:50 PM 1040 Views
Re: we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:17:48 PM 1053 Views
winning in TAR had nothing to do with OP strength... that was pure skill and later Moghedien lost! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:14:26 PM 1013 Views
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