So humans don't respond to the other "punishments"? They only respond to spankings from gram-gram?
BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 09:25:13 PM
So Semirhage could stand being humiliated naked, upside down, endure psychological torture for days, and the second Cadsuane spanks her, she breaks down? Are you kidding me?
It was more than that. The spanking was symbolic of the fact that Caddy no longer viewed Semi as some form of monster, to be in awe of. This is the only way Semi has been seen by others for....well, thousands of years really. Hell, us wotmaniacs have for years positioned Semi as the singularly greatest example of sadistic-evil that exists in the series. We've been in complete awe of her, and we are looking in from the outside. The WoT people don't have the insight we have.
From her history during the AoL, straight through to the present, she alone has been the "monster", the sadist...she's pretty much the real-world equivalent of Satan.
Imagine Satan turning up tomorrow, to only have the world laugh at him and scold him like a child.....he'd be pretty put-off by that I would think.
Semi endured the previous punishments due to her knowledge that those punishing her were afraid of her, and therefore inferior to her. This fueled her ability to remain stoic and "take-it" as it were.
OK, sure. I agree, actually. But there is nothing about the spanking act itself that was necessary for that realization... It was one (rather crude) way for Caddie to express it.
Her psyche was built up as impenetrable. I was under the impression that this woman could outdo Cadsuane. The comparison was made very obvious by BS, and Cadsuane kept thinking that the solution to cracking Semirhage's would be similar to her own breaking her own mind. So, in this scene, Cadsuane basically admitted that all it takes to reduce her to a pathetic sobbing baby who eats beans off the floor is a simple spanking in front of an audience.
Hardly...you've simplified the nature of Semi, the nature of Caddy, the history involved...into a spanking. I think if you can get yourself to look past the spanking as the "holy grail" of breaking Semi, and realize that the spanking was symbolic of what was the true reason, your hatred (that's pretty strong word btw) for this scene would lessen. The reality is that Semi is just a human, with human flaws and emotions. Her wall of sadist/torturer/monster was what gave her strength....tear this wall down, and she's no different than anybody else.
The final comment I'll make is that in reality it was Sorilea who figured this out, and clued Caddy in. Sorilea ignited the idea of treating Semi as nothing more than another human, flawed like everyone else. Caddy gets the accolades, but it should be Sorilea getting the reward.
No, the parallel had been drawn well in advance. Caddie noticed that she would not break under the punishments they gave Semi. Caddie specifically mentioned that she needed to figure out how to break herself in order to break Semi. Then she has an epiphany. Spank her like a little girl.
Therefore, Caddie would break if spanked like a little girl. Since her ego would not be able to get over the fact that adolescent women would no longer prostrate themselves before her legendariness.
Completely agree about Sorilea, too.
"Questions Of Control", pages 278-280
27/10/2009 05:26:53 PM
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I was conflicted by it
27/10/2009 06:48:09 PM
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Remind me what the paragraph was about? The spanking? *NM*
27/10/2009 07:08:26 PM
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That be it. *NM*
27/10/2009 07:09:39 PM
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I didn't find it funny...
27/10/2009 07:28:16 PM
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it was rushed, but i did laugh. my first thought was oooh, leigh on tor is going to be pissed! *NM*
28/10/2009 05:10:40 PM
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It wasn't all that funny. I thought it rather obvious. *NM*
28/10/2009 01:25:13 AM
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Totally agreed. The most disappointing scene I've read so far. *NM*
28/10/2009 05:22:35 PM
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I actually hated this scene, I thought it was utterly unrealistic
28/10/2009 05:20:29 PM
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Re: I actually hated this scene, I thought it was utterly unrealistic
28/10/2009 07:35:48 PM
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IMO, you've simplified it a bit too much
28/10/2009 08:24:33 PM
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I understand the reasons why Semi broke down
28/10/2009 09:35:16 PM
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It was a little fast, yes, but I think the basic psychological idea of it was sound.
31/10/2009 06:52:28 PM
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So humans don't respond to the other "punishments"? They only respond to spankings from gram-gram?
18/11/2009 09:25:13 PM
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