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Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame Send a noteboard - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM
Her accomplishment seem laughable and pitiful. She's got a circle of 13 AND a very powerful saangraal to enahnce her power. With that amount of power she should have been able to shield any potential target she sees, capture the toraken and riders with cocoons of air, erect a dome of impenetrable air to contain the battlefield around the tower and prevent enemies fleeing.

I think its reasonable to assume that shielding a moving target is a highly uncertain thing. Adelorna escaped shielding by merely taking a turn in the corridor! Flying targets will be much harder.


Wasn't that covered in the Aes Sedai raid on the black tower? A shield that fade when you get out of sight just means the channeler that made it got a perceptual inhibition similar to Aes sedai's need to wave their hand to hurl fireballs. A well taught channeler like Egwene shouldn't have this problem.

As for cocoons of air capturing the to'raken and keeping its passengers alive... are you frigging kidding me? This is a battlefield. Lifting people is hard enough, but lifting multiple to'raken while channelers are attacking you from all sides?


Haven't you heard of tying off weaves? Or Rand's trick in Seandar where he made a single long weave of air that was tied around all his targets? And she wouldn't have to lift anything, just hold them in place which is a totally different thing.

As for the cocoon, I thought of that as well... She couldn't do it because of where she was, I think. She did not have an uninhibited view. And she couldn't have gone to the roof, as her gateway weave would have been seen, then.


You may be right about this one, though since she know the layout of the tower wouldn't she know how to build it even without looking exactly where she places it from all angles?

Instead she threw some fireballs around and resisted being struck or shielded by lone (pairs of) enemy channelers. and captured a few damane when they were close enough to spit at. That much seems like something normal Egwene with small aid (say an angraal or one or possibly even two helpers that form a circle around her) could have done already.

Nope. What you're ignoring is the size of the to'raken, the fact that they were flitting around, and the multiple weaves Egwene had to weave to keep herself safe.


We see Her hurling giant fireballs (big as a cart) in the waste. With a circle of 13 and a saangraal she should have easily been able to make one the size the white tower I should think.

I do admit to disappointment that she only used fireballs and lightnings, though. We know she knows some really destructive weaves from Moggy. Why not use them now?


Not me. Those were torture weaves weren't they? Maybe them being the Seanchan suldam she hates so much she would have been inclined to use them but that would still be monstrous.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2078 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 810 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 482 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 442 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 334 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 822 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 433 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 631 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 793 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 661 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 703 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 606 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 790 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 732 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 822 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 867 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 596 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 301 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 694 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 618 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 696 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 666 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 778 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 818 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 732 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 602 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 663 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 311 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 645 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 615 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 795 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 712 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 333 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 687 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 711 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 313 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1005 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 710 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 687 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2277 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 741 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 740 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 658 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 705 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 939 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 276 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 742 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 767 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 669 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 675 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 600 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 629 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 693 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 614 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 670 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 566 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 682 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 744 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 696 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 592 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 623 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 599 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 609 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 640 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 763 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 759 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 324 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 591 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1024 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 835 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 654 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 577 Views
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