They had as long as Rand did to formulate a plan to kill Graendal.
But had no hope that Rand would even listen to their plan. They also did not know Balefire was necessary.
He seemed to listen to them a great deal, even when he was being 'dark Rand'. If either had presented a doable plan that was less risky why would he not do it.
The forsaken are not ta'veren, they are not controlled directly by the pattern. Rand is controlled directly by the pattern. If you are going to call another argument bull shit, then you really should think out your own arguments first.
Every action of a ta'veren is not controlled by the Pattern. Go ahead and prove that, why don't you?
Perhaps right after you prove that it wasn't in the pattern's best interest for Rand to do what Rand did.
Show me how the Pattern would actually want Rand to use the True Power, for example. Or how it let him come so close to destroying it and all of creation.
Show me how the Pattern would want Rand to be a slave to a forsaken. The pattern directed Rand to do want was necessary for the pattern as a whole. Unless the pattern wanted Rand to destroy all of creation he wouldn't have.
If you can not defend your argument even when dead pegeons enter the discussion then you have truly lost the argument.
Really? Go drop dead pigeons into all the other discussions then. Try saying that Rand has no free will to other posters, and mention that a dead pigeon is supposed to stop him from what he is determined to do. I'd love to see the responses you'll get.
Has not the pattern intervened in the past?
Think of how Verin was led to Mat. The pattern gets what the pattern wants. The method the pattern chooses can very to anything as long as the end result matches what the pattern intended.
All good things come to those who wait.
Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question)
- 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM
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Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured
- 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM
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That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM
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Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM*
- 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM
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In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM*
- 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM
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Wrong and unreasonable.
- 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM
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It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM*
- 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM
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"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured"
- 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM
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Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured"
- 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM
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Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day.
- 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM
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When teenagers were physically punished in schools
- 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM
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Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight.
- 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM
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Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens
- 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM
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Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens
- 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM
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Forcible turning is not the only method
- 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM
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But...
- 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM
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The point is
- 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM
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They were tried. *NM*
- 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM
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Mock trials
- 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM
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Proof?
- 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM
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And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death.
- 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM
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Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only.
- 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM
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They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM
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How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then?
- 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM
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There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM
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She did not target her own people...
- 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM
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You seem to be contradicting yourself here
- 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM
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Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM*
- 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM
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Considering the power she had in her hands
- 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM
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typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people
- 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM
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Nothing wrong with that.
- 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM
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Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question)
- 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM
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Neither is an atrocity...
- 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM
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Re: Neither is an atrocity...
- 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM
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Bull Sh!t!
- 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM
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Come on now...
- 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM
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Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM
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Re: Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM
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Re: Not outraged on their behalf...
- 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM
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Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t
- 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM
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So...
- 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM
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Re: So...
- 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM
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Not at all...
- 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM
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Re: Not at all...
- 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM
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Rand.
- 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM
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But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM*
- 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM
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Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences.
- 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM
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Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing)
- 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM
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