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Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM
...it's not like it makes them any deader. Getting outraged on their behalf doesn't make much sense.

The only extra risk by balefiring them (instead of just killing them in some other form of collateral damage) is the danger to the Pattern itself. And there's pretty much no other way Rand could have successfully tricked Graendal in order to eliminate her...

I'm outraged at the damage to the Pattern. There were so many ways Rand could have altered this.

Here's one...

He disguises himself as Ramshalan. He goes with the same message. However, he is holding the source all the while, and has the CK concealed with him.

The moment he gives his message, Graendal would try to compel him. All he has to do at this point is Balefire her.

Its pretty foolproof, since holding the source makes him immune to her compulsion.

There, Graendal is permanently dead, he know that she is, and the Pattern is not destabilized.


If this was so easy to do than why didn't Nynaeve or Min suggest this to him?

The pattern wanted him to do this.
If the pattern didn't want him to do this, than the pattern would have intervened. (Rand gets ready to balefire Graendal and the castle, just as he is about to complete the weave a pidgeon drops dead and falls on his arm knocking the Choendal Kal from his grasp)
All good things come to those who wait.
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Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) Matrimony Cauthon - 13/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 2078 Views
Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured Lordling - 13/11/2009 07:04:02 PM 809 Views
That doesn't make her right, it makes her a coward *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:50 PM 482 Views
Your hatred and judgment of Egwene is obsessive and at times unreasonable. Like right now. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 14/11/2009 03:56:34 AM 442 Views
In this he his reasonable...I think he is mostly wrong with the statement, but it is reasonable *NM* RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:08:35 AM 334 Views
Wrong and unreasonable. krassos - 14/11/2009 11:07:16 PM 821 Views
It's not herself she's sacrificing *NM* guttering flame - 15/11/2009 06:09:02 AM 433 Views
"Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" krassos - 15/11/2009 02:45:21 PM 631 Views
Re: "Given the chance, Egwene would certainly have chosen death herself had she been captured" guttering flame - 15/11/2009 03:14:27 PM 792 Views
Because most people often get acclimated to being beaten 3 or more times a day. krassos - 17/11/2009 01:02:37 AM 659 Views
When teenagers were physically punished in schools guttering flame - 18/11/2009 05:52:54 AM 703 Views
Teenagers at school didn't spend hours a day getting spanked. Repeatedly. For weeks straight. krassos - 20/11/2009 02:13:38 AM 604 Views
Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens guttering flame - 13/11/2009 07:19:14 PM 790 Views
Re: Egwene also killed Aes Sedai who belonged to the shadow by the dozens Night Walker - 13/11/2009 07:25:14 PM 732 Views
Forcible turning is not the only method guttering flame - 13/11/2009 08:28:08 PM 821 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:43:53 PM 867 Views
The point is guttering flame - 13/11/2009 11:00:58 PM 595 Views
They were tried. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:23:45 AM 301 Views
Mock trials guttering flame - 14/11/2009 08:06:14 AM 693 Views
Proof? fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:09:14 AM 617 Views
That's the impression I got from Sheriam's 'trial' guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:44:09 AM 696 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 06:55:54 PM 666 Views
And if Verin had been caught, she would have deserved death. Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:55:13 PM 777 Views
Ordinarily, I would disagree... RabidWombat - 14/11/2009 04:20:28 AM 818 Views
Re: Ordinarily, I would disagree... Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:04:37 AM 732 Views
Except for the fact that she never served the Dark One. She was Black Ajah in name only. krassos - 21/11/2009 04:16:48 PM 602 Views
Not true. Verin did in fact serve the DO. She admited as much darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:28:56 AM 663 Views
They had trials. No mention of them presenting such evidence. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:54:23 PM 311 Views
Forced turnings should be killed too Sidious - 15/11/2009 07:06:43 AM 644 Views
Sad but true darius_sedai - 07/12/2009 05:05:08 PM 615 Views
Based on those two actions... entyti - 13/11/2009 08:01:32 PM 795 Views
How was she going to protect the Tower and occupants then? NaClH2O - 13/11/2009 08:02:31 PM 712 Views
There is a difference between collateral damage and targeting your own people! *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:56:10 PM 333 Views
She did not target her own people... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:39:14 AM 687 Views
You seem to be contradicting yourself here guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:52:07 AM 710 Views
Because they were indistinct specks high in the sky? *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 09:11:15 AM 313 Views
Considering the power she had in her hands guttering flame - 14/11/2009 09:52:10 AM 1004 Views
That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 07:07:11 PM 708 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... guttering flame - 14/11/2009 07:21:44 PM 685 Views
typical cannoli double speak, she wasn't targeting her own people NaClH2O - 14/11/2009 01:46:10 AM 2277 Views
Nothing wrong with that. Cannoli - 14/11/2009 08:11:15 AM 741 Views
She does have first hand experience TheCrownless - 14/11/2009 07:52:20 PM 740 Views
Dozens of dark sisters together...trapped like rats... krassos - 18/11/2009 12:29:19 AM 657 Views
Re: Who performs the worst atrocity in this book: Egwene or Rand? (A good Cannoli question) randfandom - 13/11/2009 08:16:29 PM 705 Views
Neither is an atrocity... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:17:08 PM 938 Views
this ^ *NM* Deadsy - 13/11/2009 08:34:10 PM 276 Views
Re: Neither is an atrocity... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 08:59:30 PM 741 Views
Bull Sh!t! fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:00 PM 765 Views
Come on now... Rand al'Thor - 13/11/2009 09:13:50 PM 669 Views
Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:26:11 PM 675 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:56:01 PM 600 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:08:06 PM 629 Views
Re: Not outraged on their behalf... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:37:04 PM 693 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:45:57 PM 613 Views
Re: Knightscape - 13/11/2009 11:16:58 PM 670 Views
Re: fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:34:49 AM 566 Views
Re: Knightscape - 14/11/2009 01:46:51 AM 682 Views
Yes your argument is very much Bull Sh!t Knightscape - 13/11/2009 09:15:17 PM 744 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:27:11 PM 696 Views
Re: So... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:07:15 PM 591 Views
Not at all... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 10:09:43 PM 623 Views
Re: Not at all... Knightscape - 13/11/2009 10:54:14 PM 598 Views
Re: Not at all... fionwe1987 - 14/11/2009 12:36:36 AM 609 Views
Break out the inflatable balloon swords and have at it already! Ryan - 14/11/2009 02:14:47 AM 640 Views
Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/11/2009 09:17:14 PM 762 Views
Re: Rand. Dragonsworn - 13/11/2009 10:56:04 PM 757 Views
But that is not her choice to make. She has NO right to decide that for anyone. *NM* Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:57:03 PM 324 Views
No, she had no right to make that choice Ryan - 14/11/2009 03:54:35 AM 591 Views
Yes, it was her choice to make, and she is now responsible for the consequences. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/11/2009 06:24:46 PM 1024 Views
Since Rand did not perform any atrocities, Egwene by default (Existing) Cannoli - 13/11/2009 11:53:22 PM 835 Views
Its the difference between lodlom - 14/11/2009 02:59:42 AM 654 Views
Cannoli mentioned already - after balefire you can live again Skeeve the Great - 20/11/2009 03:38:06 AM 576 Views
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