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Agree to disagree? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/11/2009 08:07:59 AM
While I'm not saying the one woman shield is proved correct, I'm going to hold that it is a possibility. But lets move past that.

Two women could hold Nynaeve in CoS, and there is a big gap between Egwene and Nynaeve. Egwene admits this herself. So it might well be possible that 1 woman can hold Egwene. I cannot recall where Silviana lies on the strength table. My calculations in the past indicated that a woman could hold a shield on someone as long as you were approximately 60% as strong as the captive. But to shield them in the first place, with any degree of certainty, you had to be as much as 50% STRONGER than them.

I agree with that shielding theory. Silviana has been traditionally placed as an equal to Leanne, and she is, at the very least, as strong as Katerine, who is a very strong Aes Sedai.
What I'm saying is that in my view, if you are 60% as strong as someone, you should be able to hold an existing shield on them.

I remember the number we had all agreed to be 66%. But the principle is the same.
So if Silviana is a 25 on the strenghth scale, and Egwene is a 40, that makes Silviana just over 60% as strong as Egwene, and hence she should be able to hold the shield.

Then why couldn't Amys? Amys is as strong as Elaida and Moiraine, and there's no way Silviana is stronger. And Egwene is likely even stronger now than she was when Amys tried to hold her.
This was an issue I raised even when KoD was released, and I believe that the only explanation is that when the Shield was woven, Katerine and Barasine were linked.
Regarding an angreal. That changes the picture completely. 1 Woman with a powerful enough angreal could hold Rand himself.

Yup. Maybe Cadsuane gave her angreal to one of the sisters, but still wanted extra guards.
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No you did not... fionwe1987 - 12/11/2009 07:27:06 AM 704 Views
I'll look again tonight, but I'm sure Nynaeve made a comment... Shannow - 12/11/2009 07:33:29 AM 711 Views
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Wasn't that rather meaningless? fionwe1987 - 12/11/2009 03:26:22 PM 716 Views
Inconsistency? Lord o' Salv - 12/11/2009 08:53:39 AM 638 Views
Holding a shield vs. making one... fionwe1987 - 12/11/2009 03:19:09 PM 603 Views
Don't they clearly say one single would suffice but they used 2 for Lord o' Salv - 13/11/2009 04:57:15 AM 539 Views
To HOLD her. Didn't I make the distinction clear? fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 05:04:58 AM 521 Views
Reducing the number of people holding the shield, reduces the strength of the shield correspondingly Shannow - 13/11/2009 07:15:24 AM 508 Views
Not necessarily true (Plus, another possibility)... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 07:43:37 AM 503 Views
I agree about the angreal, but not the 1 woman shield part... Shannow - 13/11/2009 07:50:26 AM 532 Views
Agree to disagree? fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:07:59 AM 506 Views
Sure, just a couple of points... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:18:15 AM 592 Views
Re: Sure, just a couple of points... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:51:28 AM 574 Views
Interesting concept... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:59:53 AM 605 Views
The answer lies in a fundamental difference between spinning and maintaining a weave... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:33:00 AM 602 Views
Yeah, I posted on this Sidious - 12/11/2009 08:53:26 PM 564 Views
Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 12:42:37 AM 611 Views
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Agree with many points Lord o' Salv - 13/11/2009 05:07:53 AM 592 Views
Re: Agree with many points fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 05:16:12 AM 507 Views
And that means nothing... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 05:08:44 AM 610 Views
Re: Hmmm.... Sidious - 13/11/2009 06:56:56 AM 541 Views
I think Sanderson just doesn't have the interest and knowledge of relative strength that RJ did.. Shannow - 13/11/2009 07:07:45 AM 534 Views
Re: Hmmm.... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 07:59:57 AM 598 Views
The reason behind our (certainly MY) hesitance to place Nynaeve too high, is Alivia... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:04:51 AM 620 Views
There is a simple answer... skill... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 08:21:25 AM 615 Views
Except that... Shannow - 13/11/2009 08:49:15 AM 609 Views
We only assume that... fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:08:56 AM 630 Views
Well... Shannow - 13/11/2009 09:25:08 AM 599 Views
fionwe1987 - 13/11/2009 09:53:39 AM 512 Views
What about Sharina? Sidious - 13/11/2009 09:17:20 AM 519 Views
No evidence either way, but you leave a massive gap between Lanfear and the average Forsaken... Shannow - 13/11/2009 09:31:27 AM 624 Views
I don't think it's massive Sidious - 13/11/2009 09:46:27 AM 590 Views
I disagree with your last comment Shannow - 13/11/2009 09:58:03 AM 625 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 13/11/2009 03:57:48 PM 620 Views
Re: Hmm... Watcher - 13/11/2009 07:54:23 PM 605 Views
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