"...And men cried out to the Creator, saying, O Light of the Heavens, Light of the World, let the Promised One be born of the mountain, according to the prophecies, as he was in ages past and will be in ages to come. Let the Prince of the Morning sing to the land that green things will grow and the valleys give forth lambs. let the arm of the Lord of the Dawn shelter us from the Dark, and the great sword of justice defend us. Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time."
Lots of people have been making a lot of fuss over this verse. I think you can't pick and choose what you take literally and what you take as metaphor. The phrase "sword of justice" is not a new phrase to WOT. I think to take that it is Hawkwings sword from that would mean you would have to also find a way he will time travel "ride the again on the winds of time" and enter into some serious genetic engineering making the "valleys give forth lambs" I studied Biochem and Genetics and I can tell you that to make rock and dirt produce a sheep would be quite impressive.
Lots of people have been making a lot of fuss over this verse. I think you can't pick and choose what you take literally and what you take as metaphor. The phrase "sword of justice" is not a new phrase to WOT. I think to take that it is Hawkwings sword from that would mean you would have to also find a way he will time travel "ride the again on the winds of time" and enter into some serious genetic engineering making the "valleys give forth lambs" I studied Biochem and Genetics and I can tell you that to make rock and dirt produce a sheep would be quite impressive.
This is a fourth age quote from some sort of history of the LB times that mixes up a lot of things too, like the Dragon's titles of Lord of the Morning and Prince of Dawn that get inverted
I think RJ's intent there was simply to allude to the fact the Artur Hawkwing stories also got merged into it, his sword justice becoming "the sword of justice".
IMO, Hawkwing and Justice and the Seanchan and the Dragon all got mixed up into this passage, that's all.
Rand's sword isn't Justice, why would Hakwing's sword be found under rocks in the sea near Arad Doman, of all places? (and let's not go into the "He gave it to Luthair who accidentally dropped it on his way to Seanchan" theories). And why on earth would Hawkwing of all people choose a dragon for his scabbard, he who spent years hunting down the False Dragon that caused the most chaos in the Age? How would a sword and scabbard survive intact under water unless it's both from material that are very resistant... like made in the AOL resistant...
Before TGS and learning where it was found, I thought it might be a sword used by Hawking's enemy Guaire Amalasan who was born and proclaimed himself the Dragon on the Almoth-AD area, but after TGS and now we know it was found at sea, it's pretty damn obvious at this point the sword is Lews Therin's own.
This message last edited by DomA on 09/11/2009 at 03:39:15 AM
Sword of Justice
- 09/11/2009 02:25:32 AM
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You're saying everything must be either literal or metaphoric?
- 09/11/2009 02:35:38 AM
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*****tGS SPOILER*****
- 09/11/2009 02:41:56 AM
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I don't understand that theory
- 09/11/2009 03:09:04 AM
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Re: I don't understand that theory
- 09/11/2009 03:33:18 AM
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That's the point...the sun was not in the right place, taking into account the location he traveled *NM*
- 09/11/2009 03:34:24 AM
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And now they nit only know the world is round, but also it's dimensions?
- 09/11/2009 07:46:13 PM
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Re: Sword of Justice
- 09/11/2009 03:36:15 AM
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I must have missed the part where it was found by the sea...oops!
- 09/11/2009 03:43:15 AM
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Obviously?? Maybe you could explain further as it isn't obvious to me
- 09/11/2009 05:01:42 AM
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Rand saw it when the Horn of Valere was blown in book 2 and the ghost of Hawkwing had it *NM*
- 09/11/2009 02:08:50 PM
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Maybe I'm stupid, but why would Hawkwing have been using Lews Therin's sword?
- 09/11/2009 06:40:41 PM
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Wouldn't Lews Therin's sword be buried under Dragonmount? And didn't Rand say it was his own memory?
- 09/11/2009 08:05:40 AM
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I would bet he tossed it in disgust after the war of power was over. *NM*
- 09/11/2009 01:19:09 PM
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Lews Therin had a sword?
- 09/11/2009 03:39:26 PM
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Of course he had one...
- 09/11/2009 05:14:44 PM
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Re: Of course he had one...
- 09/11/2009 06:55:22 PM
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Re: Of course he had one...
- 09/11/2009 07:36:13 PM
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Re: Of course he had one...
- 10/11/2009 07:39:04 AM
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Re: Of course he had one...
- 10/11/2009 01:18:42 PM
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