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That doesn't make sense contextually though. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/11/2009 05:36:02 AM
I've always held to the position that balefire did not permanently destroy a thread, it just killed them in the past. Because if it were the former, then humanity would be in perpetual decrease - if there are no new souls to be introduced into the system, but souls can be taken out, then there is an inevitable and continuous loss. And since time is circular, meaning an infinite amount of time elapsed since the beginning, then there has been an infinite loss of souls, for no gain of souls and a finite number of souls. It's simply impossible.

However, the wording employed in that chapter definitely indicates that this is the case. Aside from the redundant 'dead forever' employed, Nynaeve says "Rand, you used balefire! They were burned out of existence!" The fact that she emphasises the use of balefire means that it is different, with this tone, worse, then simply being dead.

Hence the impossibility, and the problem. Which is why I created this thread in the first place.
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Chapter 37 - 08/11/2009 03:15:34 AM 1008 Views
Yes, but limits--can still be re-spun and some balefire may not work - 08/11/2009 03:41:52 AM 633 Views
It's the 're-spun' part that bothers me. - 08/11/2009 04:37:08 AM 621 Views
Can't know, except logic - 08/11/2009 05:03:17 AM 654 Views
That doesn't make sense contextually though. - 08/11/2009 05:36:02 AM 637 Views
Re: That doesn't make sense contextually though. - 08/11/2009 07:17:27 AM 570 Views
Re: That doesn't make sense contextually though. - 08/11/2009 01:25:06 PM 669 Views
Re: That doesn't make sense contextually though. - 09/11/2009 01:42:09 PM 468 Views
balefire doesn't keep you from being respun. - 13/11/2009 09:16:27 AM 609 Views
Re: That doesn't make sense contextually though. - 08/11/2009 08:18:44 PM 569 Views
I maintain that my first impression and my rereading it did not cause me to question how it works - 13/11/2009 09:41:20 AM 519 Views
Hmm - 18/11/2009 11:56:09 PM 476 Views
no he said the person dies "before" the DO's know's they are gone. - 23/11/2009 02:15:11 AM 489 Views
Forever in context means not resurrected not not reincarnated *NM* - 08/11/2009 06:37:50 AM 205 Views
Re: It's the 're-spun' part that bothers me. - 08/11/2009 07:43:03 AM 573 Views
But she has been studying about the workings of the Wheel. - 08/11/2009 08:13:26 PM 514 Views
Re: But she has been studying about the workings of the Wheel. - 08/11/2009 09:08:11 PM 700 Views
Yes, that's always been my opinion as well. - 08/11/2009 10:23:16 PM 533 Views
That's why Balefire is important - 10/11/2009 04:02:32 PM 495 Views

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