Some points no one addressed, a.k.a. Graendal lured Rand in...
fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 06/11/2009 05:16:12 AM
I'm not doubting the validity of your arguments, and I agree that we have no evidence that Graendal could have released the compulsion when Rand struck, though given the way RJ built the OP, such a revelation would be hardly surprising.
But what makes me suspect she is alive is not because I think she is very clever, or because of her stated intentions to run. Instead, I smell a rat in the whole "Nynaeve found a compelled boy who lead them all to Graendal" scenario.
First, Graendal's messenger was killed. Not by the merchant, we learn, so it makes sense that Graendal had him killed so he could not give away her location to Rand. She must have suspected that if his heavy compulsion was removed, he would maybe say something revealing. A fairly straightforward plan, no?
That might have been the case if Graendal's assassin wasn't left behind.
My question always boils down to this: why was Kerb not ordered to kill the messenger and flee? It isn't like such an order is impossible for Graendal to enforce! Worse, why was he ordered to poison the merchant woman (keep forgetting her name)?
Assuming Nynaeve never interfered, in a few days at most, Rand will be told that the merchant he imprisoned is dead. He is bound to investigate, and he would have found out she was poisoned and made the connection to Kerb just as Nynaeve did.
Killing the merchant served no purpose for Graendal, yet she had it done! Worse, it was done by someone who posed the same threat the first messenger did, so why would Graendal replace one threat by another similar one?
The whole thing is stupid, and reeks of a trap. And I refuse to believe that after more or less inviting Rand to her position, Graendal did not figure out a way to keep an eye on him.
For all we know, she sent Ramshalan, Travelled to the forest, and watched Rand while he prepared the Balefire, then released the weave right when she heard him ask Nynaeve to check.
Till I get an explanation for what Kerb was doing, I'm going to believe Graendal is alive.
But what makes me suspect she is alive is not because I think she is very clever, or because of her stated intentions to run. Instead, I smell a rat in the whole "Nynaeve found a compelled boy who lead them all to Graendal" scenario.
First, Graendal's messenger was killed. Not by the merchant, we learn, so it makes sense that Graendal had him killed so he could not give away her location to Rand. She must have suspected that if his heavy compulsion was removed, he would maybe say something revealing. A fairly straightforward plan, no?
That might have been the case if Graendal's assassin wasn't left behind.
My question always boils down to this: why was Kerb not ordered to kill the messenger and flee? It isn't like such an order is impossible for Graendal to enforce! Worse, why was he ordered to poison the merchant woman (keep forgetting her name)?
Assuming Nynaeve never interfered, in a few days at most, Rand will be told that the merchant he imprisoned is dead. He is bound to investigate, and he would have found out she was poisoned and made the connection to Kerb just as Nynaeve did.
Killing the merchant served no purpose for Graendal, yet she had it done! Worse, it was done by someone who posed the same threat the first messenger did, so why would Graendal replace one threat by another similar one?
The whole thing is stupid, and reeks of a trap. And I refuse to believe that after more or less inviting Rand to her position, Graendal did not figure out a way to keep an eye on him.
For all we know, she sent Ramshalan, Travelled to the forest, and watched Rand while he prepared the Balefire, then released the weave right when she heard him ask Nynaeve to check.
Till I get an explanation for what Kerb was doing, I'm going to believe Graendal is alive.
Graendal - maybe the deadliest Forsaken
05/11/2009 07:00:12 AM
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Graendal wasn't that deadly...
05/11/2009 09:37:24 AM
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I think she's the most deadly and intelligent. The others are idiots, IMHO.
05/11/2009 06:38:30 PM
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This whole Graendal is alive-idea
05/11/2009 07:13:16 PM
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Here's the deal, though. Semirhage actions actually followed part of the theory to a tee.
05/11/2009 07:21:21 PM
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I just don't understand the logic here
05/11/2009 07:25:20 PM
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It's quite simple logic.
05/11/2009 08:05:15 PM
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Then how did she do it?
05/11/2009 09:41:53 PM
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Re: Then how did she do it?
05/11/2009 10:58:01 PM
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Hmm, I have some problems with this
06/11/2009 04:23:23 AM
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Some points no one addressed, a.k.a. Graendal lured Rand in...
06/11/2009 05:16:12 AM
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Still no answers. I think I'm correct in feeling she is alive. *NM*
06/11/2009 09:25:47 PM
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Re: Hmm, I have some problems with this
06/11/2009 02:34:54 PM
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I think she escaped, but it says something that he had to become worse than a Forsaken to do it
05/11/2009 06:10:08 PM
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Eventually they will be reborn...
05/11/2009 06:30:45 PM
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Thanks for reminding me. Oh well, then I'm stuck with the whole tearing apart the Pattern thing
05/11/2009 06:44:35 PM
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Moiraine says.
05/11/2009 07:02:10 PM
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In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter.
05/11/2009 07:14:44 PM
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Re: In this case, Moiraine's comment doesn't really matter.
05/11/2009 07:35:18 PM
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I conceed to Rand's point
05/11/2009 06:31:38 PM
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I don't think it's acceptable to tear apart the Pattern to save it.
05/11/2009 06:40:22 PM
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Difference between being dangerous and hard to kill--but, she is dangerous
08/11/2009 02:19:34 AM
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Not to take away from Graendal, but my vote goes to Semirhage or Aginor
16/12/2009 07:03:52 PM
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