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It has, yes, but that doesn't make it realistic. Legolas Send a noteboard - 01/11/2009 11:16:19 AM
Egwene never came up with advise the AS couldn't have given themselves. Certainly, RJ (and BS, here) emphasize that women like Pevara, Saerin, etc. are far from idiots, and could have done exactl what Egwene did... except for one thing...

Firstly, the amount of women who are depicted as having half a brain is very, very small indeed. What about all the rest? And secondly, let's not forget that Egwene *is* just an Accepted in Tar Valon's eyes, and a rebel to boot. In a less hierarchic society, that might not have been so much of a problem, but considering the way novices and Accepted are treated in earlier books, it makes the ease with which Egwene gets Aes Sedai and even Sitters to consider her an equal or even superior fairly exaggerated. And Tar Valon, unlike Salidar, has not had time to get used to an Amyrlin raised from Accepted, or to semi-full sisters like Theodrin, or to uber-strong and mature novices like Sharina.
For another, a lot of this was the Shadow's work. Much of the beginning pettiness and childish infighting was begun by Alviarin. That the Greens were recalcitrant to Egwene's pleas for peace is because their Ajah Head was birched for a minimal crime, and this crime was apparently ratted out by women from other Ajahs. Childish and silly as their actions are, they are hardly unexpected. When Egwene sits with Ferane, one of the sisters with the White Ajah head is Black! Entirely too often, I'm certain that the Blacks reported slights and fights with other Ajahs, strengthening the walls between them and rendering the sense of women like Saerin useless.

Making it all the more interesting that we hear or see *nothing* of Mesaana or any Black sisters during Egwene's one-woman-war, wouldn't you say? They've managed to exacerbate tensions between the Ajahs for months or even a year (I'm a bit fuzzy on the timeline), sowing chaos and division, and then when Egwene starts trying to bridge those gaps and is exceptionally - imho unreasonably, in your opinion evidently not - successful, they do precisely nothing about it. That they were blindsided by Egwene's move against them based on Verin's information, I'll buy, as they had no way of seeing it coming, but one really has to wonder why they did nothing to undermine Egwene's attempts to undo their work.
I think any of the Rebels (okay, the more sensible ones) would and could have done exactly the same in Egwene's place. Cadsuane would probably have been even more effective, her exasperation with the idiocy of the Tower sisters forcing her into unconventional acts that would have been just as effective.

The fact that you state that pretty much underlines my point. You put Egwene in the same category as Cadsuane, which for a *reader* is a fair thing to do, as we've seen Egwene and know what she's capable of, and because in fantasy young people take up positions usually reserved for much more experienced people all the time. The Salidar Aes Sedai have had some time to get used to her being Amyrlin, as well. The Tar Valon ones have not, and the idea of an Accepted being in the same category as Cadsuane is completely laughable for them. Or should have been, anyway.
I mean, it's kind of like some 25-year old bloke walking into the US Senate and telling them everything they're doing wrong - and the Senate listening to him.
As for the Seanchan attack... Egwene did not defeat them. But she did save the Tower. But for her and her efforts, the Tower would have been unable to save many sisters. They were enitrely unprepared, and did not have Travelling, like Egwene did.

Certainly, that's what the book says happened. Whether one finds that credible or realistic is something else. I don't think it's unrealistic that Egwene rallied the novices and went to fight, and as someone has said somewhere, it was important for her to exorcise her demons. I do think it's unrealistic that most other Aes Sedai, including Adelorna at that, are so useless, and of course one has to wonder how she can get her hands on that sa'angreal so easily.
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