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Flawed Argument Bookwyrm Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 08:54:05 PM
The regular folks are leashed and controlled by swords and whips, not Adam, but it is the same thing.

You think the army seiging Camlyn go there by their choice? They go there because the big Houses commanded them. Those people are just as free as damane.

No. There is a BIG difference between social oppression and outright stripping of free will and autonomous control of your own body.

Those regular folks CAN revolt. There's nothing stopping them from doing it if they wanted to. Those soldiers have the CHOICE of disobeying, deserting, etc.

The a'dam is a different thing altogether. You can't even do anything your own mind told you to do without the express permission of the controlling person. You are owned in every way possible, body , mind, and soul.
BOHICA - Go ahead, ask me what it means.
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Is anyone angered by the Seanchan and a'dam? TheCrownless - 30/10/2009 11:14:00 PM 1435 Views
Yes, but not me Deadsy - 30/10/2009 11:32:45 PM 702 Views
Re: Yes, but not me Saruto - 31/10/2009 12:49:42 AM 647 Views
I hated him Deadsy - 31/10/2009 12:57:52 AM 634 Views
Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam itsjustme - 30/10/2009 11:39:45 PM 802 Views
Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam itsjustme - 30/10/2009 11:45:29 PM 654 Views
Except the Seanchan are not spoiled chidlren who mistake "wishful thinking" for a plan Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:48:45 AM 688 Views
Or he could have used the Choedan Kal TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:21:42 PM 646 Views
What Choedan Kal? *NM* Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:15:24 PM 249 Views
The big shiney ball thing he destroyed at the end of the book TheCrownless - 01/11/2009 07:50:15 PM 592 Views
Destroyed. My point exactly. *NM* Cannoli - 06/11/2009 04:40:16 AM 235 Views
For what? Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 12:03:57 AM 642 Views
if he was it wasn't on purpose. I think he was just actively trying to use his ta'verenness *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 12:15:32 AM 257 Views
I dont think it's compulsion. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:16:00 AM 581 Views
Actually, I think it's the other way around. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 12:21:49 AM 557 Views
He did the same thing with Cady TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:25:51 AM 568 Views
Personally, I thought he was using the TP to do those things. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 07:37:31 PM 525 Views
It wasn't Compulsion...Sanderson just sort of messed up IMO Marshall - 04/11/2009 11:38:38 PM 469 Views
No Simon - 31/10/2009 12:06:13 AM 596 Views
I don't care for Tuon at all. I'd be okay if her and the Seanchan were obliterated. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 31/10/2009 12:44:22 AM 254 Views
And how is that any different from me with Egwene (except she & I are the same race)? *NM* Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 260 Views
Have I ever criticized you for disliking Egwene? TaskmasterJack - 31/10/2009 01:06:39 PM 552 Views
Why not Highlords in Tear? redhand - 31/10/2009 02:10:07 AM 678 Views
You dont really get it. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:23:35 PM 528 Views
That is just POV trap redhand - 31/10/2009 04:20:07 PM 521 Views
Flawed Argument Bookwyrm - 31/10/2009 08:54:05 PM 514 Views
Not at all. Their position is perfectly justified by their experiences. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 04:29:25 AM 620 Views
The a'dam and leashing of channelers does not change the fact that the OP can be misued... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 09:17:20 AM 616 Views
Which is why people should NOT be MORE angered toward Seanchan than toward WT. redhand - 31/10/2009 06:22:13 PM 509 Views
That's complete hogwash. fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 10:23:50 PM 557 Views
Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it redhand - 01/11/2009 05:44:16 AM 580 Views
Re: Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it fionwe1987 - 05/11/2009 02:54:52 AM 876 Views
Think it through Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:25:08 PM 642 Views
I have... fionwe1987 - 31/10/2009 11:05:20 PM 611 Views
Re: I have... Cannoli - 01/11/2009 02:27:20 AM 775 Views
Well that was rather silly. TheCrownless - 31/10/2009 12:27:03 PM 486 Views
And a generation later, the same old problem arises. New channelers, with no one to stop them. Cannoli - 31/10/2009 10:28:35 PM 513 Views
Several valid points... Legolas - 31/10/2009 05:17:09 PM 564 Views
I wonder what if Egwene happen to be a child kidnapped at Flame and sent to WT redhand - 31/10/2009 06:30:34 PM 569 Views
Your point has some validity for the actual Seanchan damane. Legolas - 31/10/2009 06:43:40 PM 593 Views
The sul'dam should be destroyed Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:14:06 AM 528 Views
The people themselves shouldn't be. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 05:26:08 AM 511 Views
^ *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 05:33:04 AM 228 Views
Only the Empress can remove the custom Sidious - 31/10/2009 05:48:09 AM 531 Views
Due to their conditioning. Great Lord of Chaos - 31/10/2009 06:03:32 AM 544 Views
She will (and ya, sul'dam become sul'dam from age 13-18 usually) *NM* Deadsy - 31/10/2009 06:12:48 AM 250 Views
Random Saragorn - 31/10/2009 10:26:34 AM 524 Views
Agreed Simon - 31/10/2009 02:52:33 PM 514 Views
I think the a'dam is the perfect solution for Blacks and the Shaido 'Wise Ones'. Gher - 01/11/2009 02:51:27 AM 588 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/11/2009 06:15:08 PM 463 Views
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