Your point has some validity for the actual Seanchan damane.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 06:43:40 PM
All the angoy Egwene felt at the hands of Seanchan could be replaced by her angoy at trying to run away from WT, getting caught and beaten by MoN, being sent to a farm for hard labor, being shielded or forkrooted to control her channeling, ...
Being a perfect damane will be replaced by being a prefect AS. The training method of Seanchan is not much different from the trainning method of the WT. Both are brainwashed to believe they are doing the greater good, no matter what the outsiders say to them.
Though even there you exaggerate by equating the two, as damane are treated more like animals than anything else - remember the thing with the titles, "der'suldam" in analogy with "der'toraken" and the other officers in charge of animals. The Tower treatment of novices and Accepted is harsh at times, but honestly not even in the same league, excepting of course what they do to Egwene, under rather special circumstances. Aiel treatment of Wise One apprentices is still harsher, but also not remotely as bad - hard, but fair.
But when you get to the topic of leashed marath'damane, the captured Aes Sedai and Sea Folk and others, including Egwene in The Great Hunt, the comparison becomes completely absurd. There we are talking about intentionally breaking people, abusing and harrassing and torturing them until they break. TGH Egwene admittedly hadn't had her Aiel training yet, and was not yet resistant to pain like she is in KoD and tGS, but you'll note that it's not the pain itself that is most vivid in her nightmares and memories, but the being broken, the part of her that *wants* to please the suldam.
Is anyone angered by the Seanchan and a'dam?
30/10/2009 11:14:00 PM
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Yes, but not me
30/10/2009 11:32:45 PM
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Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam
30/10/2009 11:39:45 PM
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Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam
30/10/2009 11:45:29 PM
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Except the Seanchan are not spoiled chidlren who mistake "wishful thinking" for a plan
31/10/2009 04:48:45 AM
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Or he could have used the Choedan Kal
31/10/2009 12:21:42 PM
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What Choedan Kal? *NM*
31/10/2009 10:15:24 PM
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For what?
31/10/2009 12:03:57 AM
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if he was it wasn't on purpose. I think he was just actively trying to use his ta'verenness *NM*
31/10/2009 12:15:32 AM
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I dont think it's compulsion.
31/10/2009 12:16:00 AM
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Actually, I think it's the other way around.
31/10/2009 12:21:49 AM
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I don't care for Tuon at all. I'd be okay if her and the Seanchan were obliterated. *NM*
31/10/2009 12:44:22 AM
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And how is that any different from me with Egwene (except she & I are the same race)? *NM*
31/10/2009 04:51:17 AM
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Why not Highlords in Tear?
31/10/2009 02:10:07 AM
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You dont really get it.
31/10/2009 12:23:35 PM
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Not at all. Their position is perfectly justified by their experiences.
31/10/2009 04:29:25 AM
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The a'dam and leashing of channelers does not change the fact that the OP can be misued...
31/10/2009 09:17:20 AM
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Which is why people should NOT be MORE angered toward Seanchan than toward WT.
31/10/2009 06:22:13 PM
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That's complete hogwash.
31/10/2009 10:23:50 PM
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Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it
01/11/2009 05:44:16 AM
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Re: Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it
05/11/2009 02:54:52 AM
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Well that was rather silly.
31/10/2009 12:27:03 PM
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And a generation later, the same old problem arises. New channelers, with no one to stop them.
31/10/2009 10:28:35 PM
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Several valid points...
31/10/2009 05:17:09 PM
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I wonder what if Egwene happen to be a child kidnapped at Flame and sent to WT
31/10/2009 06:30:34 PM
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Your point has some validity for the actual Seanchan damane.
31/10/2009 06:43:40 PM
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The sul'dam should be destroyed
31/10/2009 05:14:06 AM
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The people themselves shouldn't be.
31/10/2009 05:26:08 AM
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Only the Empress can remove the custom
31/10/2009 05:48:09 AM
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Due to their conditioning.
31/10/2009 06:03:32 AM
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She will (and ya, sul'dam become sul'dam from age 13-18 usually) *NM*
31/10/2009 06:12:48 AM
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I think the a'dam is the perfect solution for Blacks and the Shaido 'Wise Ones'.
01/11/2009 02:51:27 AM
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