Because no one with even a shred of objectiveness in them, could discount what the Inn Keepers Daughter accomplished in this book.
Or had accomplished for her. Not to mention EVERY acheivement came at the expense of, or against, other women. So how is this a female issue? Egwene took the fractured, corrupted mess that was the Aes Sedai before she arrived. She clensed the Black Ajah, and for the most part pulled all the various factions together.
She did not cleanse the Black Ajah - anyone could have done as much had Verin handed them the book. She was the one judged stupid enough to be a figurehead Amyrlin, so she was in a position to do what was needed, which is why Verin gave her the book. Anything less than what she did when given those books would be an inexcusable failure. Praising her or citing this as her achievement would be like calling someone a master craftsman because he assmebled a piece of furniture according to the instructions in the box. Here is a list of Darkfriends. Here is a method to prove an Aes Sedai (or any female channeler) is a Darkfriend. The penalty for being a Darkfriend has been death for over three thousand years. There might be some 12-year olds who would not be able to wrap up the purge given those same data and precedents, but they're all eating books on the short bus. Egwene took a group of channelers that before she arrived, was at best useless, and at worst a knife in Rand's back.
Prove that they are not this now. Even knowing all the circumstances Egwene still plans to punish Rand for the Asha'man bonding sisters, on behalf of the women who created that useless mess. You cite what a disaster the Tower was, but the progenitrices of that disaster have Egwene as their champion and ally. Not only that, she was willing to do almost anything even potentially delay for a fatal length of time that so-vital reunification, rather than indirectly cause harm to the least of these bunglers. She goes on and on at length about the temerity of Elaida to remove any sister from the shawl, when I defy anyone to point out one iota of worthiness in Shemerin. Egwene, by her own claims, and now locked in by the equivalent of a campaign promise, will do all she can to defend Shemerin's superiority over normal people who are actually intelligent and competant!Egwene now has a group that can be a powerful weapon for Rand. She now has the Aes Sedai moving forward towards Tarmon Gai'don.
She has them installing a window. There has been a lot of blather and promise about what she will do from readers on this site, with precious little evidence from Egwene herself. She has been rather short of specifics on what kind of aid she will actually give Rand, though she has certainly devoted considerable thought to how she will punish him for his followers defending themselves against sisters who were in violation of her precious Tower Law. She also plans to punish the ONLY sister from among her followers who has offered any help to Rand, even while admitting to herself that Nynaeve had every right to go with him. I don't doubt for narrative reasons that she will help him, I am just saying that if you did not know this is a book and how things must end, there is no proof in her characterization that she is aiming at that end.Finally, before you go around make knee-jerk accusations of sexism, which are founded solely on your own unexamined sexist mindset, why don't you consider whether or not she is truly a strong woman. I do not believe she is, and that is the nature of my complaint with her - that she is falling short of that standard. My arguments against her have more to do with her shortcomings in that department and weaknesses. And while I am hardly her sole outspoken critic in this community, I defy you to identify anyone who has defended Elayne as much as I have. I wrote & posted thorough defenses of other genuinely strong women as well. My favorite female character is Nynaeve, whose real personal achievements far outstrip Egwene's windfalls.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One.
30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM
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I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER!
30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM
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I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do.
30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM
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I adore Brandon Sanderson.
30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson.
30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM
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Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson.
30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM
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Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series.
30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM
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If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure.
30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM
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Everything up to tGS
30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM
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Re: Everything up to tGS
30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM
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What on earth makes you think I dislike it?
31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM
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General impression lately I guess.
31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM
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Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is
30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM
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so I guess ...
30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM
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You want a friend like Mat
30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM
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Yes, he will pull thru 4 u in the end, but Matt still needs to grow up. and fast *NM*
30/10/2009 07:32:28 PM
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might I add..
30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM
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Re: might I add..
30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM
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I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws
30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM
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Like others don't have flaws?
30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM
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EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter!
30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM
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Touched a nerve did I?
30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM
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Re: Touched a nerve did I?
31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM
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Re: Touched a nerve did I?
31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM
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Bah
30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM
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Actually, Elaida WILL reveal Traveling. We've seen countless times AS broken easily by the Seanchan. *NM*
30/10/2009 05:28:06 PM
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More than likely, but if anyone could avoid giving it up it would be stubborn, self rightous Elaida.
30/10/2009 09:20:31 PM
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A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman?
30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM
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Obviously.
31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM
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I'm afraid of the ooze left over when I take spam out of a can *shiver* *NM*
31/10/2009 05:39:03 AM
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Well...
31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM
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Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value.
31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM
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Tar Valon is a nation
31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM
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The Aes Sedai are not. The Tower as a whole rules the polity of Tar Valon.
31/10/2009 11:34:42 PM
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The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument
01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM
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It wasn't absurd. Just clever...
01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM
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I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal.
01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM
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Hmm.....
06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM
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I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM*
08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM
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Are you blinded by a pair of teats?
31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM
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Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen
30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM
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The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her
31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM
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It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM
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Don't expect rationality from Cannoli...
31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM
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Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987....
01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM
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Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987....
01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM
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Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats.
01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM
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I have one question
01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM
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Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible.
01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM
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Re: The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her
31/10/2009 04:31:29 PM
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I don't agree with all of that, but yes, Egwene's successes are a little too much.
31/10/2009 04:30:32 PM
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I too wondered when exactly Elaida took an overdose of crazy pills
01/11/2009 06:46:16 AM
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There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me.
02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM
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Poor cannoli; give it a rest you ridiculous numsquatz
07/11/2009 06:43:10 PM
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Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit.
09/11/2009 05:22:23 PM
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Re: Yes, my long string of complaints about Sanderson has reached the limit.
10/11/2009 07:36:46 AM
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