Not at all. Their position is perfectly justified by their experiences.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 31/10/2009 04:29:25 AM
Like really, really angry?
I found myself wanting Rand to balefire the Seanchan at the end of the book, even if it ment putting up with another 20 chapters of Rand being broody and the same in Cady trying to make him smile. Just some kind of retribution for it.
It's really begining to get to me. I now really dislike Tuon and want someone to beat her down, I would give everything I had to see her leashed to Egwene for a few minutes, hell I'd even take that scenario with Elaida at the end.
Normally things dont get to me much in books, I can sit back and watch injustice, bullying, stupidity and not get emotionally implicated, but these, there is something about them. Ever since we saw Ewgene suffer at the end of ones of these I've just had a hatred of them ingrained.
Am I the only one?
You're not, but wrong is wrong no matter how many people agree. Little things like the very presence of the Dark One and Shadowspaawn in the world suggest that unrestrained and uncontrolled channelers ARE a problem. I don't agree with the practice of leashing channelers, but I also disagree with the White Tower's policies refusing to allow any other channelers to organize, conscripting eligible trainees, imprisoning women they do not wish to let go, and using Compulsion on them (the Oath Rod is nothing else, morally speaking. The particulars of a weave are irrelevant when considering the effects). I disagree with the Aiel practice of compelling them to go through a lethal test regardless of whether or not they have a vocation to be Wise Ones. I disagree with the Sea Folk practice of choosing their careers and occupations for their entire lives, and basing their career track on someone else's actions. There are no good guys when it comes to the way channeling organizations handle the issue in the world of WoT, aside from perhaps the Black Tower. I found myself wanting Rand to balefire the Seanchan at the end of the book, even if it ment putting up with another 20 chapters of Rand being broody and the same in Cady trying to make him smile. Just some kind of retribution for it.
It's really begining to get to me. I now really dislike Tuon and want someone to beat her down, I would give everything I had to see her leashed to Egwene for a few minutes, hell I'd even take that scenario with Elaida at the end.
Normally things dont get to me much in books, I can sit back and watch injustice, bullying, stupidity and not get emotionally implicated, but these, there is something about them. Ever since we saw Ewgene suffer at the end of ones of these I've just had a hatred of them ingrained.
Am I the only one?
The true ancestors of the Seanchan Empire were the people who followed Artur Hawkwing's son to Seanchan to conquer it. The people they found were untrustworthy in the extreme, with everyone out for himself, and not even lip service was paid to the concept of honor or obligations. The land was ruled by capricious Aes Sedai who did whatever they wanted to get their own way. The Seanchan imposed order and honor on the chaos they found, but they were up against hostile, power-hungry and irresponsible channelers, with no way to oppose them. They leashed their enemies, and they needed to do so in order to survive. And given the nature of channeling, they have had no other choice. They are not the pinnacle & epitome of their society, they are a foreign occupying force, keeping the lid on a dangerous and hostile population. They have rebellions that rival a major war in the wetlands, such as those in which men like Furyk Karede cut their teeth, so they have never had the option of giving up the damane even if they could. In Seanchan channelers are the cast-down tyrants who tormented a continent, not innocent victims! Letting them off the leash for the Seanchan is like Israel giving a Nazi party some seats in the Knesset. And given the lifespan of channelers, there are undoubtedly living damane who can recall the days when their kind ruled Seanchan, before the Empire. Alivia, after all, is over four hundred years old, in an Empire that only finished its conquests no more than two centuries ago. It is entirely possible that some former tyrant petty ruler of a portion of Seanchan is right now on a leash. Given what they have endured at the hands of people calling themselves Aes Sedai, condemning them for the use of the a'dam is extremely short-sighted. How is there any difference between what they are doing and what the Red Ajah does? The major difference is that the Reds capture people who can't help themselves and don't necessarily want to harm anyone, while the Seanchan go after a class of people who very deliberately chose to abuse their power. As for their practice of leashing people now, conscription is hardly a Seanchan invention, and has been practiced in nearly every successful nation ever in the real world, and presumably in WoT. Rulers conscript soldiers into their armies because they need them to defend their people from other armies and they conscript damane to protect their people from the One Power.
In addition, look at how the White Tower does in serving the same function for the wetlands. They have repeatedly proven to be poor combatants. They were beaten by the Seanchan themselves in the raid on the Tower, despite being on their home ground and having abilities the Seanchan do not, such as linking, and access to angreal. Which would you rather have defending your hometown when the new Dreadlords come? The self-proclaimed "Battle Ajah" whose leader was snatched up in a second? Or the damane who whipped the "Battle Ajah" and their sisters, while fighting in a completely new way, hundreds of miles behind enemy lines while greatly outnumbered? And you don't even have to kiss the damanes' ass or let them rule you!
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Is anyone angered by the Seanchan and a'dam?
30/10/2009 11:14:00 PM
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Yes, but not me
30/10/2009 11:32:45 PM
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Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam
30/10/2009 11:39:45 PM
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Re: Is anyone angry by the Seanchan and A'dam
30/10/2009 11:45:29 PM
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Except the Seanchan are not spoiled chidlren who mistake "wishful thinking" for a plan
31/10/2009 04:48:45 AM
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Or he could have used the Choedan Kal
31/10/2009 12:21:42 PM
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What Choedan Kal? *NM*
31/10/2009 10:15:24 PM
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For what?
31/10/2009 12:03:57 AM
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if he was it wasn't on purpose. I think he was just actively trying to use his ta'verenness *NM*
31/10/2009 12:15:32 AM
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I dont think it's compulsion.
31/10/2009 12:16:00 AM
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Actually, I think it's the other way around.
31/10/2009 12:21:49 AM
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I don't care for Tuon at all. I'd be okay if her and the Seanchan were obliterated. *NM*
31/10/2009 12:44:22 AM
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And how is that any different from me with Egwene (except she & I are the same race)? *NM*
31/10/2009 04:51:17 AM
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Why not Highlords in Tear?
31/10/2009 02:10:07 AM
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You dont really get it.
31/10/2009 12:23:35 PM
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Not at all. Their position is perfectly justified by their experiences.
31/10/2009 04:29:25 AM
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The a'dam and leashing of channelers does not change the fact that the OP can be misued...
31/10/2009 09:17:20 AM
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Which is why people should NOT be MORE angered toward Seanchan than toward WT.
31/10/2009 06:22:13 PM
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That's complete hogwash.
31/10/2009 10:23:50 PM
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Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it
01/11/2009 05:44:16 AM
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Re: Using the word "Hogwash" is inviting flames, but I will be nice about it
05/11/2009 02:54:52 AM
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Well that was rather silly.
31/10/2009 12:27:03 PM
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And a generation later, the same old problem arises. New channelers, with no one to stop them.
31/10/2009 10:28:35 PM
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Several valid points...
31/10/2009 05:17:09 PM
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I wonder what if Egwene happen to be a child kidnapped at Flame and sent to WT
31/10/2009 06:30:34 PM
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The sul'dam should be destroyed
31/10/2009 05:14:06 AM
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The people themselves shouldn't be.
31/10/2009 05:26:08 AM
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Only the Empress can remove the custom
31/10/2009 05:48:09 AM
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Due to their conditioning.
31/10/2009 06:03:32 AM
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She will (and ya, sul'dam become sul'dam from age 13-18 usually) *NM*
31/10/2009 06:12:48 AM
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I think the a'dam is the perfect solution for Blacks and the Shaido 'Wise Ones'.
01/11/2009 02:51:27 AM
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