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Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. Asha'man Send a noteboard - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM
His portrayal of Egwene at the end of the fight against the Seanchan has rendered it impossible. How do you parody-by-exaggeration a character as self-glorifying as she is? "I was a burning warrior, a hero called by the Horn." Because with overwhelming firepower, while standing on firm ground, she did some damage to people with much less firepower on the backs of flying creatures. Given the advantages she enjoyed in that fight, her performance was no more than could be expected. And she thinks that for doing what anyone in her position would have, or at least should have, she is heroic? Much less one of the greatest heroes of all time? She honestly believes that smacking away some people who came into her home (a feral animal is usually capable of rising to such a challenge) is heroic?

Of course, that probably says something about the Aes Sedai or Egwene that such a basic level of competence is praiseworthy. Hell, Saerin displayed better leadership! All Egwene did was find the big gun. She didn't lead the novices in anything more than making them into ambulatory magazines. She dispatched the most Seanchan because she had the big gun, and was the biggest threat, which the Seanchan professional soldiers naturally gravitated to. She killed the most because she had the power to do so, and because that drew them to her. She "drove them off" when they never had any intention of staying. By any standard their raid was a massive success, and NO ONE is a hero when the time and place of their triumph is called the worst day in the history of their side!

Compare and contrast Rand in tPoD with Callandor to Egwene in tGS with the rod. Rand is held as a hubristic failure because he killed some of his cannon fodder, but he genuinely stopped the Seanchan advance (with actual ground troops capable of conquering and holding territory) and seriously hurt them, in a defeat for which Tuon reprimands Suroth, and Semirhage in attempting to defend her can only say that she won't make that mistake again. Egwene on the other hand, is just as arrogant and bloodthirsty about butchering other non-Shadow people, except she does NOT provably or demonstrably stop them, and their operation, by the terms they set when planning it, is a spectacular success (and a success because Egwene made the secret of Traveling vulnerable in the first place - had she not been stupid enough to get involved in the harbor chain operation, the Seanchan would not have caught a single damane who could channel, and even if every Seanchan made it home safe but the Bloodknives, with a hundred damane, that would have been a far less successful operation than what actually happened! ).

So, a recap - Rand is upset and portrayed as a failure despite achieving his objective, because of impossibly high expectations based on his prior success in battle. Egwene is elated and pround of herself and viewed & portrayed as spectacularly successful and heroic, when those she fought consider their achievement worth the risk of the force they sent and still manage to bring most of their force home again, and those she "saved" experience "one of the greatest disasters in the history of the Aes Sedai." How do you mock that perception? I guess Sanderson found the only way to stop me - he outdid my parody in ridiculousness.

Cannoli, I want to ask a legitimate question that can sound bitchy in just the printed text. I truly don't mean it that way, so please take it in the spirit it is intended. I am curious why you read these books. I am genuinely interested to know what you find positive about them. It shouldn't make me wonder so much about someone else, but all we hear is the negative. I mean hey, post what you feel, but whenever I read it I can't help but wonder.
You can tell me to keep my questions to myself if you want, but I don't ask it the mean way it could be read. :)


A renewal, if you will.
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Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen One. - 30/10/2009 02:36:19 AM 2447 Views
Life in unfair, just let Egwene have it already. - 30/10/2009 03:11:04 AM 851 Views
I skimmed cannoli's predictable rant. I disagree. I LOVED EVERY CHAPTER! - 30/10/2009 03:29:24 AM 806 Views
Agreed! *NM* - 30/10/2009 03:47:52 AM 504 Views
I liked her chapters. Mainly because they gave her something to do. - 30/10/2009 09:43:58 PM 724 Views
I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 05:05:11 AM 836 Views
Me too - 30/10/2009 10:38:52 AM 891 Views
Exactly. - 30/10/2009 04:33:11 PM 737 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 02:45:03 PM 903 Views
Re: I adore Brandon Sanderson. - 30/10/2009 04:34:53 PM 757 Views
I think he meant Cannoli, not you, Seriana. *NM* - 30/10/2009 05:30:17 PM 432 Views
Ahhh. - 30/10/2009 09:15:14 PM 732 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 31/10/2009 03:51:14 AM 734 Views
Re: Ahhh. - 01/11/2009 06:37:41 AM 756 Views
Ditto. Thought he was a breath of fresh air to the series. - 30/10/2009 03:27:43 PM 721 Views
If renewal means someone grossly unfamiliar with the series, sure. - 30/10/2009 06:26:19 PM 1245 Views
Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 06:25:28 PM 944 Views
Re: Everything up to tGS - 30/10/2009 08:21:33 PM 925 Views
What on earth makes you think I dislike it? - 31/10/2009 05:25:07 AM 833 Views
General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 04:38:29 PM 769 Views
Re: General impression lately I guess. - 31/10/2009 10:41:06 PM 765 Views
Thanks. - 01/11/2009 06:32:12 AM 843 Views
double post, hate my computer. - 30/10/2009 08:24:12 PM 835 Views
Don't agree completely but what I do want to see is - 30/10/2009 07:12:54 AM 756 Views
so I guess ... - 30/10/2009 02:48:10 PM 938 Views
You want a friend like Mat - 30/10/2009 06:33:47 PM 738 Views
might I add.. - 30/10/2009 08:30:24 AM 686 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 10:41:39 AM 783 Views
Re: might I add.. - 30/10/2009 06:47:17 PM 791 Views
There is a difference between defending your home from attack - 31/10/2009 03:34:57 PM 710 Views
I sit somewhere in the middle, she's improved, but still many flaws - 30/10/2009 11:35:47 AM 785 Views
Like others don't have flaws? - 30/10/2009 02:58:08 PM 780 Views
EVERYTHING is handed to her on a platter! - 30/10/2009 06:41:02 PM 803 Views
Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:19:00 PM 895 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:24:41 PM 817 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 30/10/2009 07:31:14 PM 874 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 06:36:33 AM 766 Views
Re: Touched a nerve did I? - 31/10/2009 09:33:34 AM 774 Views
And you aren't? - 01/11/2009 12:42:50 AM 739 Views
Seems to me you're both right. - 01/11/2009 07:45:12 PM 718 Views
Bah - 30/10/2009 03:36:42 PM 814 Views
wait a sec... - 30/10/2009 04:31:56 PM 880 Views
Now now! Let's take off the rose-tinted glasses for a minute. - 30/10/2009 05:21:07 PM 713 Views
Re: Bah - 30/10/2009 06:49:47 PM 842 Views
Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 12:54:16 PM 691 Views
Re: Rant on! Rant on! - 30/10/2009 03:18:44 PM 746 Views
A personal question: Cannoli, are you threatened by a powerful woman? - 30/10/2009 07:13:30 PM 819 Views
Obviously. - 31/10/2009 05:37:52 AM 704 Views
Well... - 31/10/2009 05:56:56 AM 668 Views
Countries are real, normal and natural things. The White Tower has no proven value. - 31/10/2009 06:52:48 AM 750 Views
Tar Valon is a nation - 31/10/2009 09:20:43 AM 735 Views
The "Elaida's election was illegal because of Black Ajah Sitters" is really an absurd argument - 01/11/2009 12:06:32 AM 801 Views
It wasn't absurd. Just clever... - 01/11/2009 03:33:22 AM 823 Views
I wasn't saying the rebels had no cause for rebellion. Just that the election *was* legal. - 01/11/2009 10:38:59 AM 827 Views
Hmm..... - 06/11/2009 04:18:14 PM 677 Views
I take it she'll carefully avoid bringing up the war vote, then. *NM* - 08/11/2009 12:47:21 AM 316 Views
Not a problem... - 08/11/2009 06:17:39 AM 744 Views
Are you blinded by a pair of teats? - 31/10/2009 07:17:44 AM 912 Views
Re: Well Brandon Sanderson has officially killed off the last volume of the Epic Saga of the Chosen - 30/10/2009 11:38:24 PM 835 Views
The harbor chain incident was no less stupid because it helped her - 31/10/2009 05:40:20 AM 688 Views
It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 07:18:42 AM 822 Views
*snort* *NM* - 31/10/2009 07:19:49 AM 438 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 31/10/2009 09:28:16 AM 807 Views
Don't expect rationality from Cannoli... - 31/10/2009 02:01:45 PM 868 Views
Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 01:07:06 AM 841 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 04:30:21 AM 835 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 01/11/2009 08:41:58 AM 786 Views
Re: Or logical trains of thought from fionwe1987.... - 05/11/2009 02:40:16 AM 759 Views
Re: It must be embarassing to be on the same side as such dingbats. - 01/11/2009 12:31:10 AM 739 Views
I have one question - 01/11/2009 07:12:23 AM 778 Views
Capture, NOT kill, and she herself said the sa'angreal made that impossible. - 01/11/2009 07:59:44 AM 770 Views
Capture OR kill - 01/11/2009 09:12:08 AM 815 Views
Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 05:57:54 AM 723 Views
Re: Egwene isn't ta'veren - 31/10/2009 11:01:54 AM 712 Views
Events do seem to suggest otherwise. *NM* - 31/10/2009 04:40:42 PM 449 Views
I see Cannoll is still going strong about Egwene... - 01/11/2009 08:40:17 PM 774 Views
There were a few instances in the book where Egwene really bothered me. - 02/11/2009 12:54:10 AM 720 Views
Egwene's always been a hypocrite - 02/11/2009 02:06:58 PM 905 Views

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