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surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM

The only way the Light can win is if the Dragon survives. Therefore they need to kill him. Even if the Pattern could spit out a new Dragon, it would take at least 20 years for that man to gain the ability to channel, by which time the Shadow would have overrun the world and freed the Dark One. There is no indication in the series that the death of the Dragon Reborn would be anything other than catastrophic for the fate of the world.

Moridin's plan is transparent - it always has been.


Didn't RJ say (I cannot remember the source at all - probably in a Tor Q&A, though, so I could be fairly wrong) that the Light doesn't always win - that a draw is possible, and has happened before? The Light might need the Dragon (Reborn) to win, but not having him doesn't mean they'll lose, either.

I always thought the only way for the Dark One to win was to have the Dragon/Reborn actually lose - if he's dead, things will just end up in a draw. That would explain Ishy's strange desire to keep Rand alive for most of the series, only deciding to kill him when it became clear that a draw (with the Dark having no chance of winning) would be better than a flat-out defeat.

Win - Dragon defeats the dark one for good
Lose - DO is free
Come to the dark side, We have candy!

I'm Israel, he's Palestine, its more fun when you pick sides.
This message last edited by TheCrownless on 20/10/2009 at 03:57:53 PM
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1458 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 724 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 687 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 642 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 708 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 737 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 726 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 918 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 646 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 313 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 694 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 562 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 756 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 815 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 581 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 302 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 634 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 576 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 593 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 707 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 593 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 651 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 598 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 734 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 516 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 618 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 609 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 572 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 602 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 553 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 573 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 672 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 302 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 830 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 706 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 598 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 623 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 682 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 585 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 291 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 839 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 666 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 534 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 731 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 279 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 656 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 633 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 637 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 578 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 680 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 749 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 719 Views
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