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IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM
Foretelling always happens. Always Just like with Min's visions. Sometimes there's an if/than statement (Min's definitely had those, I forget if Elaida has, it's been implied that Gitara did), but if something is Foretold to happen, it'll happen.


So, it makes this conversation kind of iffy. If Moiraine hadn't come, it stands to reason that Rand would have been declared in some other way. Or perhaps it is because of Moiraine's natural stubborness and drive that this was Foretold.

All those other realities couldn't have happened, for the very reason that Rand wasn't the proclaimed Dragon in them.



He could quite possibly have fullfiled many of the other scenarios.

Either way, the fortelling decided Moiranes "destiny" just because it could have been someone else doesn't mean she didn't do what she did.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1456 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 722 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 687 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 640 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 706 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 735 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 724 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 918 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 644 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 313 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 692 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 561 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 754 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 813 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 580 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 302 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 634 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 574 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 591 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 707 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 591 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 651 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 596 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 732 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 516 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 617 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 607 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 572 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 600 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 553 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 571 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 672 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 302 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 828 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 704 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 596 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 623 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 680 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 583 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 291 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 837 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 664 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 532 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 730 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 279 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 654 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 633 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 637 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 576 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 678 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 747 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 717 Views
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