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It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM
Foretelling always happens. Always Just like with Min's visions. Sometimes there's an if/than statement (Min's definitely had those, I forget if Elaida has, it's been implied that Gitara did), but if something is Foretold to happen, it'll happen.


So, it makes this conversation kind of iffy. If Moiraine hadn't come, it stands to reason that Rand would have been declared in some other way. Or perhaps it is because of Moiraine's natural stubborness and drive that this was Foretold.

All those other realities couldn't have happened, for the very reason that Rand wasn't the proclaimed Dragon in them.


I amuse myself.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1462 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 727 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 692 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 648 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 711 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 740 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 729 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 921 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 650 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 314 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 696 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 567 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 761 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 821 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 585 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 303 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 637 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 579 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 596 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 710 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 599 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 654 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 601 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 738 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 523 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 622 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 613 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 577 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 609 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 555 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 580 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 676 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 304 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 834 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 709 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 605 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 626 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 687 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 588 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 292 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 846 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 671 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 536 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 738 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 280 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 660 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 638 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 641 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 581 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 685 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 753 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 721 Views
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