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It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM
Foretelling always happens. Always Just like with Min's visions. Sometimes there's an if/than statement (Min's definitely had those, I forget if Elaida has, it's been implied that Gitara did), but if something is Foretold to happen, it'll happen.


So, it makes this conversation kind of iffy. If Moiraine hadn't come, it stands to reason that Rand would have been declared in some other way. Or perhaps it is because of Moiraine's natural stubborness and drive that this was Foretold.

All those other realities couldn't have happened, for the very reason that Rand wasn't the proclaimed Dragon in them.


I amuse myself.
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Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) RabidWombat - 17/10/2009 05:16:34 AM 1573 Views
Nyneave wins hands down Isaac - 17/10/2009 05:22:08 AM 825 Views
Nyneave has done more fairfax - 17/10/2009 06:42:26 AM 788 Views
Nynaeve! Fantasy - 17/10/2009 04:12:00 PM 740 Views
I'd say Mat BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 04:40:48 PM 817 Views
are you sure? NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 04:48:01 PM 838 Views
Not to downplay Nynaeve BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:40:45 PM 808 Views
Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow NaClH2O - 17/10/2009 10:44:15 PM 1027 Views
Re: Beg to differ, the "endless summer" was VERY important to the shadow BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 11:10:20 PM 741 Views
believe what you want, but if the weather hadn't changed when it did TG would be over by now. *NM* NaClH2O - 18/10/2009 11:56:09 PM 354 Views
Actually, there might be a better reason for why it mattered. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 07:03:32 PM 790 Views
Immaterial. NaClH2O - 10/12/2009 07:48:51 PM 657 Views
It has to be Moiraine TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:00:32 PM 844 Views
Actually there were a couple of versions that happened, and Moiraine came in neither. Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:32:52 PM 916 Views
So you think the story would have panned out TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 05:46:46 PM 675 Views
None. *NM* BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:43:08 PM 342 Views
That's highly subjective ranagrande - 17/10/2009 08:52:17 PM 729 Views
Re: That's highly subjective BlackAdder - 17/10/2009 08:54:52 PM 676 Views
I think you know exactly what I mean. TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:53:40 PM 683 Views
All of them ranagrande - 18/10/2009 12:09:55 AM 806 Views
Those were only visions TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 12:45:32 AM 703 Views
They may have only been visions... ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:19:05 AM 744 Views
"Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:45:44 PM 692 Views
Re: "Every possible outcome to a given situation is the actual outcome somewhere" ranagrande - 18/10/2009 06:51:42 PM 826 Views
That all goes without saying TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 07:26:06 PM 616 Views
I disagree ranagrande - 18/10/2009 07:58:37 PM 715 Views
Re: I disagree TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 10:04:27 PM 709 Views
It's almost irrelevant- the Dragon Reborn was Foretold beetnemesis - 18/10/2009 02:07:47 AM 670 Views
Does that mean he'd win? TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 04:47:56 PM 701 Views
IIRC the prophecies don't say anything about whether the DR will win. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 05:05:03 PM 646 Views
Not really what I was arguing. TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:30:05 PM 667 Views
Good points RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 06:14:08 AM 776 Views
the BCS is not a good system *NM* ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:08:25 AM 344 Views
Re: Which character (besides Rand) has hurt the shadow the most? (my analysis and your opinion) Cannoli - 17/10/2009 05:26:26 PM 946 Views
Someone needs to re-adjust their meds RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 05:55:58 AM 805 Views
I wouldn't bother justifying yourself to him TheCrownless - 18/10/2009 05:41:42 PM 710 Views
That is true for most people if not all RabidWombat - 18/10/2009 11:28:44 PM 722 Views
He's got a point though... Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:18:38 AM 771 Views
"Always fight back! Never justify" Internet discussion rules 101. TheCrownless - 21/10/2009 04:37:32 PM 679 Views
Damn skippy! *NM* Cannoli - 21/10/2009 11:17:36 AM 336 Views
Ishamael/Moridin Sidious - 17/10/2009 06:44:35 PM 939 Views
Good call TheCrownless - 17/10/2009 10:55:38 PM 756 Views
Not to mention I think he's more interested in self preservation at this moment Ryan - 18/10/2009 07:18:28 AM 630 Views
Re: Ishamael/Moridin ranagrande - 18/10/2009 09:21:29 AM 849 Views
lol It goes to show that even when you think you're doing evil, the Pattern makes it good. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:25:08 PM 323 Views
You make it sound very simple BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:47:57 PM 764 Views
No - it is very simple Sidious - 19/10/2009 05:01:44 AM 725 Views
Not necessarily- Digital_Eon - 19/10/2009 09:22:16 PM 735 Views
surely a draw meant resealing TheCrownless - 20/10/2009 03:56:49 PM 671 Views
I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 06:23:55 PM 788 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. BlackAdder - 18/10/2009 10:56:06 PM 849 Views
Re: I'm going with Nynaeve. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/10/2009 11:22:36 PM 815 Views
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