Except for mentions of the fellow pretending to be Sammael.
Joel Send a noteboard - 07/10/2009 04:56:11 PM
Never consider that Be'lal is alive. On the contrary, all say or imply that he is dead. This makes clear that Be'lal never showed up at any Forsaken meeting after his death. He also wasn't seen at all during the Cleansing. There is no reason to believe that Taim is Be'lal, because Taim's motives and knowledge would be even easier explained, if he was simply trained by a Forsaken (most likely by Ishy).
That could be Taim being Taim, but it could be Be'lal mistaken for Sammael, or playing some elaborate game of his own. It's something intriguing that's mentioned a few times and then dropped, which always makes the gears turn. Implication doesn't mean much in itself; even Light loyal Aes Sedai will imply falsehood if it suits. Likewise, if seeing is believing, NOT seeing isn't disbelieving, at the Cleansing or elsewhere.
I can't see Ishy deigning to train Taim even if time permitted, but the biggest problem with him being just another Dreadlord is that the trappings of the Forsaken Taim's adopted don't square with the subservient attitude the Forsaken demand of subordinates. I guess it's possible he might have been elevated to their ranks, but if we're going to play the "they haven't said... " game, given the Forsaken contempt for contemporary channelers if he had I'd expect them to talk about little but how disgusted they were with the "new" Forsaken. I may well be wrong, but there IS reason to believe he's one of the Forsaken: He's adopted their symbolism and knows the Dark Ones command to them (not to mention his possession of one of the Seals the Forsaken strove so hard to obtain, and casual relinquishment of it to Rand as if he can take it back whenever he wants. ) All of them are accounted for when he makes his appearance to Rand, or soon after. Except Be'lal, unless we accept that Moiraines few seconds of retroactive removal were enough to make him inaccessible to the Dark One.
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This message last edited by Joel on 07/10/2009 at 04:59:40 PM
Dueling Theory II: Taim is Be'lal.
07/10/2009 03:37:59 PM
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I've always found this to be a silly theory
07/10/2009 03:49:53 PM
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Still like it though.
07/10/2009 03:55:47 PM
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Not possible
07/10/2009 06:44:04 PM
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RJ actually indicated...
10/10/2009 10:51:23 AM
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I don't think he'd have considered it at all without this aspect.
12/10/2009 12:45:26 AM
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Nope...
07/10/2009 04:09:52 PM
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Good points, but still not convinced.
07/10/2009 04:19:42 PM
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The other Forsaken...
07/10/2009 04:31:26 PM
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Except for mentions of the fellow pretending to be Sammael.
07/10/2009 04:56:11 PM
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And why..
07/10/2009 05:25:30 PM
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Honestly, I do think Graendal was posing as Sammael, but we can't know for sure.
12/10/2009 12:58:58 AM
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timing doesn't fit
08/10/2009 01:03:01 AM
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