A few questions ... how is Egwene a bigger bitch than:
Faile: what did Egwene do that can compare to Faile manipulating Loyal into taking her into the Ways?
That's an absurd exaggeration. She was not endangering anyone, and she was completely in ignorance of the stakes for the Aybarras. Her whole motivation was to help him, and by extension them. And had they still been alive when she & Perrin arrived, they almost certainly would have been in lockstep agreement with Faile about the idiocy of his plan to appease the Children of the Light by turning himself in. That was the real reason Perrin did not want her along. He has always had a streak of moral cowardice, which is why he foudn the Way of the Leaf so appealing. He knows in his heart that it would be wrong and cowardly to surrender himself and leave his family & friends at the mercy of the Children, rather than standing up for what is right, but he would rather die than kill. Which is a perfectly acceptable mentality when it is only your ass on the line, but not when you have responsibilities to others. Perrin might accept duty and responsibility with more outward willingness than Mat, but deep down, he wants to avoid it just as badly, and while he isn't quite at the "lighter than a feather" point, he certainly isn't thrilled at the scant obligations he has incurred just to that point. Faile would later go on to be a key figure in getting Perrin to understand and to live up to his obligations over the course of his character arc. Egwene only teaches people patience in dealing with her bullshit.
That was later, and she was giving him plausible deniability. She did not do it for amusement, she did it because if he knew, he'd be responsible, as the leader of the group. It was morally wrong and probably misguided, but it was also urged on by those Wise Ones Egwene loves and admires so much. The deception was for Perrin's protection and to maintain his honor, not to manipulate him and get her way. At that point in their relationship, she could have asked for Maseema's head on a platter and gotten it from him, but he would have regretted it later and tortured himself for his legit guilt. She took the responsibility of doing her own dirty work on herself.
Except she does not possess that ability any more than Raen owns a sword - they both possess the potential capacity, but each refuses to pick it up, believing it to be wrong. She might be incorrect about it being wrong, but she is not a hypocrite. She would be a hypocrite if she forced other sul'dam to be collared and made to channel, while refusing herself, but she never does this. The only people she collars are Aes Sedai trying to bully her. We would have applauded Rand doing the same to Siuan or Moiraine or Cadsuane at various points in the series. Joline is considered immature by just about everyone to offer the slightest bit of character analysis, and she certainly wasn't going to offer Tuon the promises Moiraine and Cadsuane gave Rand, and was also trying to interfere in the business of a sovereign nation and abuse her advantage in power to intimidate an apparently helpless woman. Joline is one of the people for whom the a'dam is a reasonable exception, as even Mat seems to agree, despite his objections to the collar in principle.
I don't get this at all. Why does being a princess make her endearing? In fact, she gets a lot of criticism that is unfounded for her personally, but is due to assumptions and stereotypes based on her royal status.
She is always putting her obligations and rational decisions ahead of her feelings. She spends months in the same building as the love of her life and does nothing to give him (or anyone) so much of a hint of her feelings because she respects Egwene's prior claim, even though it is plain Egwene is not acting on it, and because her head and training tell her he is an unsuitable match. That is a thing that literally never comes up with any other relationship in the whole series. She freely expresses her emotions, but she always has a rational reason for her actions, and always operates by a code or set of rules, and seldom for her own unwarranted advancement. Egwene is purely ambitious, she was not raised from birth to see the Amyrlin Seat as her duty and whatever someone else might do while sitting in the Seat as partially due to her failures. That is what Elayne has been taught from the cradle, as is explicitly stated in the books, by more than one character. You bring up adolescent rebellion as a justification for Egwene bucking characters of quantifiably superior knowledge and experience, and objectively superior judgment, but Elayne's expressed frustrations with occasional cracks in the life that has been imposed on her is acting on her emotions?
Accepting punishment to do one's duty is generally considered admirable by decent and honorably people. She stuck by her friends and the cause of the Light. As Moiraine says in the first book, there is no better justification than opposing the Shadow. Elayne twice chooses to leave the Tower, with the permission of Aes Sedai (she did not run away either time), both times after learning of actions taken by the Shadow and in reaction to news of the Black Ajah. As the only one of the Wondergirls to actually join the Green Ajah, she, at least, was acting on her vocation.
That's absurd nonsense. The only culpability in a war is between the people who actually start and fight it. Morgase's overreactions are not Elayne's fault, and you have a lot of nerve calling even imgainary people stupid, when you bring THIS topic up comparing Elayne to Egwene, who actually started a war!
And Egwene is their playmate. She spends most of the latter half of the series fuming over how they are arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, while wondering where is the advantage for her when the team sent out to Shadar Logoth comes back with news of an iceberg and Moria proposes contacting a tug boat. And Romanda at least, was willing to try purging the Black Ajah. Egwene didn't say anything, but opposed it mentally, citing it was being politically unwise. In Egwene's eyes, upsetting followers who might decide not to listen to you is the gravest sin a ruler can commit. Remember she felt the same way when Rand forbade recreational arson, theft and racially-motivated murder to the Aiel. The best credit you can give Egwene regarding her thoughts is that she didn't REALLY disagree with Romanda's proposal for an inquisition, but simply didn't want Romanda to successfully carry out any policies, because it would help her politically. Which still means she puts political position ahead of sensible actions.
That doesn't make her a bully, it just means all the people who called her stupid for confronting Rand head on were wrong. It's not bullying to use superior power to get the right thing done, it is bullying to use power over others for its own sake or for personal gratification, and to establish one's own supremacy. Cadsuane explicitly stated, under the Three Oaths, that she was doing things for Rand's own good.
Because they are stupid bullshit. We only like the rules, because they would put our favorite characters at the top.
Then? That was the first thing she did that stood out, aside from trying to creepily inviegle herself into novices' affairs, and arrogantly assume too great a responsibility for things that were not her own. The same kind of thing for which everyone gives Rand and Perrin and Elayne crap.
In the first place, staying in communication with Egwene didn't really help them all that much. In the second, VERIN, provided the means, which Egwene withheld from them out of jealousy and selfishness, until the last moment, and begrudged them every second of experience in T'A'R until she had no choice. This is like Tuon's humanity - turning the ring over to them was the very least Egwene could do at that point. It doesn't make her good or generous, it simply means that she avoided complete selfishness at the last possible moment. There isn't much about Egwene teaching her friends either. Amys curtailed her first meeting with Elayne and after that, the Wise Ones did the talking and thanks to their closer acquaintance with Egwene, begrudged Nynaeve and Elayne everything they got, and then tried to stop them when they proved capable of achieving things on their own. Nynaeve and Elayne learned the fundamental principles of T'A'R on their own, honing their skills together as a bridge for their personality conflicts and cabin fever and as therapy for Nynaeve's PTSD from her encounters with Moghedian and Egwene.
And you keep bringing up the Dream skills in support of Egwene, when that should be her greatest embarrassment. It's like bringing up the Super Bowl in discussions of why Tom Brady is better than Eli Manning.
You condemn Elayne for instantly voluteering to help Rand when an Aes Sedai says he is threatened by the Shadow, but praise Egwene for finally agreeing after three days of avoidance, to help fight genocidal racist savages, after seeing two towns that have been subjected to their barbarity? Normal decent people don't need three days to do such a thing! You praise her for going against rules that she herself embraces for convenience, which hinder no one else among their circle, because they don't have such misplaced reverence for one of the most flawed institutions in the series. Egwene is a complete and utter hypocrite, and a coward as well. She was ready willing and eager to cast off those rules throughout tDR for her own convenience, while the "bad-tempered" Nynaeve was constantly remonstrating with her and insisting that there were non-lethal alternatives. But YOU frame that conflict over a serious moral issue, with an objectively correct position, in terms of adolescent rebellion. Adolescent rebellion is "I am going to make unfortunate fashion and pointless entertainment choices, and mutilate my body in ways I will later regret", not "I wish to visit excessive violence upon the persons of people I do not need to kill, when I despite having personally experienced the capacity within my abilities for non-harmful & total restraint for enemies." Egwene's bloodlust when in fear of her own safety is to be laughed away, but her reluctance to participate in a fight to stop barbarians who are literally at the gates, looking to murder, pillage and enslave indiscriminately is priaseworthy? And let's be honest. It had nothing to do with Aes Sedai principles, but her own cowardly reluctance to expose that the Three Oaths did not, in fact, bind her. That was a revelation that would have to wait until Egwene's last moments with the Aiel, not actual necessity or lives depending on it or anything.
You are descending into moondog-like levels where I can't tell if you are the worst liar since Ananias, have the worst reading comprehension on a book-based website or are the most ignorant WoT-reader since Brandon Sanderson. Egwene NEVER helped Rand manipulate the Tower. She tried to hide him from the Tower before either of them knew he was the Dragon Reborn and not someone who SHOULD be gentled, when he needed the Tower's help to keep him from killing people. She sided with Moiraine's attempts to follow the plans of a woman with whom they had been out of contact for so long that they had no idea she had been deposed for months, and who had made those plans in ignorance of a wealth of information since learned about Rand and his other roles in the world. She said nothing helpful when he was reading the letters from Elaida and Alviarin, but would later completely rewrite the events in her mind to have no basis in reality, and she tried to manipulate Rand in his dealings with the Tower embassy. She didn't offer any help to Rand with them, aside from mocking his correct perception of Galina's alignment with Alviarin, while keeping him in the dark about the true nature of the split, which impeded his understanding of Alviarin's position. Rand concealed her from the sisters, when by her precious Tower laws, she should have been turned over to them, saying that she might notice something he didn't see, though he was plainly being ironic when he mentioned the possibility of her sharing whatever information she might have gleaned with his help. And he turned out to be right, since she didn't give him any useful information, beyond the fact that she was more concerned with him treating them according to their station than protecting him from their manipulations.
Rand saved the universe from destruction. Egwene finally did something possibly unselfish at the very end of her life, when she was being afflicted by a broken Warder bond, because she bonded the biggest moron in the series, because even he was better at threat assessment than she. She sacrificed her life at the very moment when her life was least precious and valuable to her, when she most wanted to be done with it. Not much of a sacrifice. It's not even like George Mason taking the controls from Jack Bauer, because he was already dying, because at least he was acting to save a specific life. And considering the effects of the Power on channelers, Egwene's "sacrifice" might better be compared to a depression victim overdosing on uppers. At a moment of emotional pain and suffering, she overdoes it with something that makes you feel excited and happy and euphoric. Suspect is the very least I'd term her sacrifice. She's not even up there with Ingtar, or Ellidyr of Pen-Larcu, or Boromir. That last guy was a hero who made one mistake and paid for it. Ingtar made an act of redemption, at least admitting his fault. Ellidyr made up for being a dick. Egwene never admitted her wrongdoing or her mistreatment of her friends, let alone her assault on Nynaeve, instead offering rationalizations for her high-handedness, that I won't even repeat, because not even Egwene deserves to be blamed for Sanderson's insane moral logic.
Fine, Egwene did a somewhat decent and useful thing at the end, but she never had a Road to Damascus moment, never made amends for all the stuff for which she drew criticism years before any one had any clue how she would die (almost all post-TG speculation by fans tended to assume Egwene's ongoing reforms of the Tower). And as far as self-sacrificing actions go in genre fiction, it really isn't all that much. Lan's sacrifice is no less impressive for his surviving it in spite of the worst Demandred could do, nor Rand's despite the gimmicky mechanism of his particular survival. All three of them willingly went to their deaths to achieve a greater good, it's just that the other two had more to live for, and Egwene's method and timing was somewhat...convenient.
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