Active Users:480 Time:05/04/2025 06:23:07 PM
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM
3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.


Which is what draws me to the first point that I made in the argument, which is that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If you cause someone who has not been tried and convicted as a darkfriend to be severed and she is later tried justly and found innocent, you have now caused a lawfully innocent person to suffer a pain beyond knowing.


You are assuming that Randland has a criminal justice system comparable to the U.S. where it is based on trial by combat, only the combat is verbal. Your champion in this system is your lawyer. They fight for you, and the outcome of the "fight" determines whether you are guilty or not guilty of the crime.

This system does not determine innocence, however. That is a common misconseption. There is a difference between being Innocent and the verdict of Not Guilty. That verdict simply means that there is a reasonable doubt about whether or not the accused committed the crime. If there is a reasonable doubt, a verdict of Not Guilty must be returned. This does not mean that the accused is innocent. It just means that the system in place cannot punish the accused, because they are unable to prove that the crime was committed by the accused.

I have seen very little evidence that this system of criminal justice is in place in Randland. You can't assume that people in other cultures have the same customs and systems in place as you do. To do so is both arrogant and also rather rude.
Reply to message
Still the Darkfriends. - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 2061 Views
ya this does work - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 659 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 340 Views
Makes sense, but... - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 804 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 1050 Views
Is this the real stilling? - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1163 Views
It's real stilling - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 776 Views
Re: It's real stilling - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1330 Views
Re: It's real stilling - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 781 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 304 Views
Not in my opinion - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 1072 Views
How does that respond to what I said? - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 649 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 677 Views
Doesn't make sense.... - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 618 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 681 Views
I disagree. - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 728 Views
Re: I disagree. - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 745 Views
Then... - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 639 Views
Re: Then... - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 658 Views
Re: Then... - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 718 Views
Re: Then... - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 660 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 700 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 863 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 745 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 690 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 792 Views
I think it's too risky - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 768 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 828 Views
Re: I think it's too risky - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 658 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 877 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 731 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1412 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 745 Views
To Clarify... - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 821 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1363 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 656 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 769 Views
From Rand's viewpoint - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1441 Views

Reply to Message