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Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos Send a noteboard - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM

Con’s

1. It violates at least one (if not more) ancient law(s) that has probably been in place since the Trolloc Wars, if not since the founding of the White Tower.
2. Most sisters (not just the Hall) consider very old laws to “contain an aura of holiness,” and “consider changing such laws to be unthinkable.” [Robert Jordan, A Crown of Swords, page 219]
3. The act is excruciatingly painful and would probably be considered cruel and unusual by the standards of the White Tower.
4. The severed party might suffer irreparable psychological damage.
5. There is insufficient information regarding the restoration process.
6. Alternative methods exist to prevent prisoners from channeling.
7. Alternative (albeit not very humane) methods exist to foreswear oaths.
8. Alternative methods are favorable because they do not put an “innocent” party at risk. Anyone can be put to the question after they are found guilty and severed.


Cons:

1 and 2: Conceded.

3. Anyone that is a Darkfriend deserves all the pain they can get.

4. In severed women, we have not seen psychological damage. Sure, they start screaming, and weeping, but I would say that's akin to watching several family members die right before your eyes.

5. Not really. We know that some Asha'man have restored women to their full strength. We know Nynaeve healed Logain to his full strength. And we know that Nynaeve healed Siuan and Leane to a bit of their strengths. Therefore, logically, we can see that a man can restore a woman, and a woman can restore a man, to their respective potentials.

6. Shielding, but shields can be broken.

7. If we had the Oath Rod, which is currently occupied. Elayne and Rand do not have the Oath rod.

8. Conceded.
Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
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Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 05:25:29 PM 1979 Views
ya this does work fistofpainx - 03/10/2009 06:32:22 PM 583 Views
Totally Agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 03/10/2009 06:38:27 PM 306 Views
Makes sense, but... Etzel - 03/10/2009 07:04:27 PM 736 Views
Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know how Cannoli - 03/10/2009 07:16:03 PM 962 Views
Re: Nynaeve does. Egwene did it solo in tDR. Rand did 3 at once in LoC, but men don't seem to know h MissKoalaVB - 04/10/2009 12:55:55 AM 1240 Views
Is this the real stilling? Etzel - 04/10/2009 09:06:32 AM 1087 Views
It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 02:55:35 PM 690 Views
Re: It's real stilling Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 06:46:58 PM 1253 Views
Re: It's real stilling Sidious - 04/10/2009 06:53:52 PM 708 Views
I think Egwene took longer because it was the first time. *NM* fionwe1987 - 04/10/2009 07:20:26 PM 272 Views
Not in my opinion Sidious - 05/10/2009 05:00:30 AM 985 Views
How does that respond to what I said? fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:15:57 AM 571 Views
Re: How does that respond to what I said? Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:07:16 PM 595 Views
Doesn't make sense.... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:20:21 AM 541 Views
Re: Doesn't make sense.... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:30:04 AM 592 Views
I disagree. Fanatic-Templar - 04/10/2009 10:03:56 PM 657 Views
Re: I disagree. Sidious - 05/10/2009 04:58:04 AM 661 Views
Then... fionwe1987 - 05/10/2009 05:12:45 AM 562 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 05/10/2009 09:09:04 PM 581 Views
Re: Then... fionwe1987 - 06/10/2009 12:25:22 AM 638 Views
Re: Then... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:51:48 AM 573 Views
I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 06/10/2009 02:18:01 AM 624 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 06/10/2009 07:50:33 AM 773 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Fanatic-Templar - 07/10/2009 02:28:34 AM 667 Views
Re: I'd like you to clear this up... Sidious - 07/10/2009 08:20:34 AM 607 Views
Well, you may, but I remain unconvinced . Fanatic-Templar - 08/10/2009 12:22:31 AM 702 Views
I think it's too risky Sidious - 03/10/2009 07:21:51 PM 691 Views
Of course, they should still be guarded with restricted access. Cannoli - 03/10/2009 09:02:21 PM 762 Views
Re: I think it's too risky DomA - 05/10/2009 04:51:17 AM 572 Views
Sounds good, but the Aes Sedai aren't known for making the most logical decisions. Nice Post *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 07:47:36 PM 306 Views
oops i meant to put "aren't" but i accidently put are. It's edited now. Sorry for any confusion *NM* Blaine - 03/10/2009 10:26:50 PM 292 Views
I just thought you were being sarcastic at them *NM* Cannoli - 03/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 312 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 04:51:58 AM 796 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Great Lord of Chaos - 04/10/2009 02:06:51 PM 647 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Orlin_Artemi - 04/10/2009 05:45:16 PM 1324 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. ViolentKai - 04/10/2009 07:20:58 PM 669 Views
To Clarify... Orlin_Artemi - 05/10/2009 12:30:28 AM 747 Views
Re: Still the Darkfriends. Cannoli - 05/10/2009 02:54:40 PM 1258 Views
Remember Shadar Logoth Ryan - 04/10/2009 02:49:06 PM 580 Views
The only thing worse than ignoring morality for pragmatism is moralizing a non-moral issue Cannoli - 04/10/2009 09:36:43 PM 691 Views
Re: Remember Shadar Logoth DomA - 05/10/2009 06:05:54 AM 682 Views
From Rand's viewpoint Ben - 05/10/2009 01:10:18 PM 1354 Views
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