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On further reflection, I think the religion element being left out is important. Tom Send a noteboard - 04/03/2017 04:07:53 AM

Everyone has motivations, and taking out religion deprives the author of the means of explaining motivations of characters through that prism. It might not be needed in a world where the divine is immanent in places and through avatars, and it seems like Jordan was perhaps initially thinking in that way, not only with the Forsaken, but also with the odd Green Man in the first book. However, he never really developed that idea and quickly moved away from it. I think it was a mistake. I can't think of other fantasy series that are bereft of religion the way Wheel of Time is, though I'll admit I don't read a ton of them.

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ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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How did you feel after completing AMoL? - Anonymous2000 - 24/02/2017 04:03:10 AM 1962 Views
Unsatisfied I suppose or perhaps regretful darius_sedai - 24/02/2017 02:54:12 PM 1524 Views
I'll post this again Tom - 25/02/2017 01:29:16 AM 1085 Views
Very good post, can't argue with it. Anonymous2000 - 25/02/2017 02:40:18 AM 1306 Views
I can argue with some of it Joel - 25/02/2017 09:32:17 PM 1231 Views
You can say whatever you want, but you're wrong Tom - 25/02/2017 10:40:58 PM 1173 Views
We are not discussing concrete facts, so objective error is impossible Joel - 26/02/2017 01:21:46 AM 1297 Views
In any discussion, error is possible. In your discussions, it's a near certainty. Tom - 28/02/2017 08:24:59 PM 1135 Views
On a different topic, how important do you think that stuff is? Cannoli - 03/03/2017 07:20:15 AM 1255 Views
It's all about suspending disbelief, isn't it? Tom - 04/03/2017 01:13:12 AM 1220 Views
That makes a lot of sense. Cannoli - 08/03/2017 10:18:56 PM 1210 Views
On further reflection, I think the religion element being left out is important. Tom - 04/03/2017 04:07:53 AM 1151 Views
Middle-Earth? Cannoli - 08/03/2017 09:53:45 PM 1345 Views
A Elbereth Gilthoniel... Tom - 10/03/2017 04:48:50 PM 1170 Views
Morning Star is actually a title of Mary, and the name of a summer camp run by nuns. Cannoli - 25/03/2017 09:59:31 PM 1107 Views
Tolkien would also be familiar with Isaiah 14:12 Tom - 27/03/2017 05:09:49 PM 1053 Views
Personally, "religion" in WoT makes perfect sense... For the AoL. Not so much the Third Age Dunstan - 09/03/2017 01:55:29 AM 1214 Views
But did they really undeniably prove this existence? darius_sedai - 09/03/2017 04:19:43 PM 1494 Views
Re: But did they really undeniably prove this existence? Dunstan - 10/03/2017 07:47:11 AM 1312 Views
I think we are saying similar things darius_sedai - 12/03/2017 08:31:13 PM 1412 Views
Some points Cannoli - 25/02/2017 11:54:50 PM 1211 Views
Well, some THINGS anyway. Joel - 26/02/2017 01:56:29 AM 1179 Views
Your recognition of irony is profound Cannoli - 26/02/2017 08:39:47 AM 1150 Views
Not great, but better; what all went to Hell after ACoS, Sanderson at least returned to Purgatory Joel - 25/02/2017 03:39:58 PM 1151 Views
MAYBE in the pacing, but that is it. Sanderson got absolutely nothing else right beyond the events *NM* Cannoli - 25/02/2017 11:59:06 PM 867 Views
mosty disappointment damookster - 27/02/2017 10:15:29 PM 1161 Views
Exhausted zodiac2000 - 27/02/2017 10:52:51 PM 1153 Views
Total agree about Moiraine's return..... Anonymous2000 - 28/02/2017 03:57:57 AM 1146 Views
With Demandred... That was likely at least somewhat the point. Dunstan - 28/02/2017 06:09:13 AM 1080 Views
Not best pleased. nossy - 27/02/2017 11:59:06 PM 1064 Views
It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Delireus - 01/03/2017 02:22:19 AM 1142 Views
Re: It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Dunstan - 01/03/2017 08:39:23 AM 1272 Views
Re: It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Delireus - 01/03/2017 11:23:18 PM 1239 Views
Re: It felt like the end of Grease when the car flew off Dunstan - 02/03/2017 06:07:12 AM 1127 Views
I still haven't read it. Stephen - 01/03/2017 08:03:53 PM 1103 Views
Interesting, any reason why you haven't read it yet? *NM* Anonymous2000 - 01/03/2017 10:26:21 PM 652 Views
It was the end of their world as I knew it, and I felt fine. *NM* Cannoli - 02/03/2017 11:13:25 PM 714 Views
You were just happy that you-know-who died! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 03/03/2017 02:47:38 AM 707 Views
Disappointed, shocked, relieved. The Shrike - 03/03/2017 04:44:56 PM 1051 Views
Curious - what were you hoping to happen to Rand at the end? *NM* Anonymous2000 - 03/03/2017 09:00:12 PM 717 Views
Me too! Delireus - 04/03/2017 10:19:21 AM 1014 Views
Guess I'm in the minority, because I felt quite satisfied, all things considered. PseudoDragon - 03/03/2017 06:13:27 PM 961 Views
I cried and I was glad it was over! kazetaran - 04/03/2017 09:13:03 PM 1229 Views
The Fouth Age is quite a fun little sandbox. Full of possibilities. *NM* *NM* Dunstan - 05/03/2017 07:11:30 AM 660 Views
there's just SO MUCH that could happen Delireus - 05/03/2017 09:33:26 AM 1184 Views
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