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Re: You people are the insane ones Sidious Send a noteboard - 29/12/2015 12:10:51 PM

I'm trying not to turn these into whole things, but all you're doing is making ad hominem complaints. I'm not distorting anything. Nor am I exclusively citing events portrayed by Sanderson, whom everyone in this thread agrees is a shit writer with little to no comprehension of the books and characters, who is as ignorant of WoT as it is possible to be for someone who has read RJ's own notes and outlines. What did I distort or misrepresent, from a factual standpoint? I'm not talking about someone who starts with an automatic assumption that the PoV characters are inherently good and what they do is right, therefore, anyone who disagrees that burning a helpless unarmed woman alive is perfectly acceptable, is being unreasonable. If nothing else, Egwene did that. That is a fact, although I allowed for authorial incompetence, because we've never seen her do that sort of thing in RJ's books. You are the ones rabidly criticizing anyone who comments on that point as deranged and affecting some sort of moral superiority by dismissing someone out of hand, rather than engaging or even simply agreeing to disagree.

But how does any of this relate to Egwene being 'praised excessively for little to show for it? You've completely gone off on a tangent again.


What did I distort or misrepresent, from a factual standpoint?

Well for one, Egwene did not have an army to defeat Mesaana. That entire battle between the Black Ajah and Aiel etc was not Egwene's deed. Egwene battled Mesaana in private where no one could help her and defeated her. So factually you distorted this entire scene. You asked where you did it, and you did it here.

Secondly, what kind of argument is 'someone would have killed Taim.' The same could be said for any evil person in the series... eventually someone good would have killed them. So it's basically not a worthy deed if you kill a great source of evil, because 'eventually someone will kill them.' It's as farcical and fatalistic as the the way of the leaf!

As usual you were very concise with the truth again as you mention that anyone could go after Taim with one of the most powerful sa'angreal in existence, but of course fail to mention that he was wielding Sakarnen too. I suspect this is the sort of distortion that Fionwe is referring to, or 'merely flinging the Power at each other' because world war two was 'just lots of bombs'.

So good luck to that person who would have eventually killed him even though he was weaving balefire on a level not seen since the War of Power. Taim may have been a new Chosen, but he was still one of a handful of people who could directly command the Shadowspawn, say perhaps an entire army of Fades on that field. I also don't know why anyone battled Hesselam considering she would 'eventually' die anyway.

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Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions kHz1000 - 26/12/2015 08:46:07 PM 2204 Views
My answers gban007 - 27/12/2015 02:55:35 AM 1167 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions darius_sedai - 27/12/2015 04:42:28 PM 1263 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions kHz1000 - 27/12/2015 09:01:33 PM 1220 Views
Black Ajah darius_sedai - 28/12/2015 02:44:04 AM 1150 Views
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Re: Mine kHz1000 - 28/12/2015 12:57:23 AM 1194 Views
Re: Mine Sidious - 28/12/2015 09:51:54 AM 1049 Views
Re: Mine kHz1000 - 28/12/2015 02:02:33 PM 1084 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions Cannoli - 28/12/2015 12:40:49 PM 1497 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions kHz1000 - 28/12/2015 01:53:00 PM 1293 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions Cannoli - 29/12/2015 11:35:09 AM 1137 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions kHz1000 - 29/12/2015 05:12:46 PM 1167 Views
So about Egwene... Sidious - 28/12/2015 04:26:47 PM 1368 Views
Re: So about Egwene... Cannoli - 28/12/2015 10:52:29 PM 1195 Views
Why do you bother? *NM* darius_sedai - 29/12/2015 01:23:10 AM 656 Views
Seriously... fionwe1987 - 29/12/2015 01:30:34 AM 1195 Views
Sadly I have to agree Sidious - 29/12/2015 08:46:58 AM 1223 Views
You people are the insane ones Cannoli - 29/12/2015 11:21:24 AM 1244 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones Sidious - 29/12/2015 12:10:51 PM 1282 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones Cannoli - 30/12/2015 11:25:09 AM 1238 Views
Yet it's Mesaana who forces the head to head confrontation with Egwene darius_sedai - 30/12/2015 05:25:00 PM 1219 Views
I don't get the "circumstances being created" argument anyway... fionwe1987 - 31/12/2015 02:53:14 AM 1049 Views
Re: I don't get the "circumstances being created" argument anyway... Sidious - 31/12/2015 06:28:33 AM 1186 Views
Damn stupid WoT, never working out the way you think it should! Cannoli - 04/01/2016 01:38:45 AM 1219 Views
So you agree, Egwene eliminated on of the Forsaken in a direct conflict darius_sedai - 04/01/2016 03:28:35 AM 1078 Views
Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. Cannoli - 04/01/2016 07:17:20 AM 1273 Views
Re: Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. darius_sedai - 04/01/2016 03:59:18 PM 1197 Views
Re: Yeah. I just don't see how it redounds to her credit, or is particularly impressive. Sidious - 04/01/2016 04:19:00 PM 1205 Views
Well, to put things in context fionwe1987 - 04/01/2016 04:28:00 PM 1244 Views
Re: Well, to put things in context Sidious - 04/01/2016 07:05:27 PM 1332 Views
That's not the worst argument given how lame many of them were darius_sedai - 04/01/2016 06:37:44 PM 1246 Views
Uh oh Sidious - 04/01/2016 07:03:08 PM 1679 Views
*grabs Dewars* *NM* darius_sedai - 04/01/2016 08:24:05 PM 762 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones Sidious - 30/12/2015 06:22:02 PM 1349 Views
Apparently, Egwene shouldn't have killed the Sharans... fionwe1987 - 31/12/2015 02:56:08 AM 1278 Views
it's just an excuse to not give credit to a character he doesn't like darius_sedai - 31/12/2015 04:44:17 AM 1432 Views
Exactly. The double standard has always existed in Cannoli's rants. fionwe1987 - 31/12/2015 05:31:42 AM 1358 Views
Yes well I've only recently started to realize how distasteful it is Sidious - 31/12/2015 06:27:26 AM 1371 Views
Wow... the board was alive 5 years ago! fionwe1987 - 31/12/2015 08:34:03 AM 1326 Views
LOL ... Someday you'll come to realize how right we were!!! *NM* darius_sedai - 31/12/2015 05:23:18 PM 780 Views
How is this a concession? Cannoli - 04/01/2016 08:05:38 AM 1459 Views
Re: How is this a concession? Sidious - 04/01/2016 10:49:20 AM 1503 Views
You can dislike Cannoli, you can claim his arguments are biased... TyrReborn - 31/12/2015 07:09:55 PM 1339 Views
Offended? No, I find it funny, in a needs medication way darius_sedai - 31/12/2015 07:50:28 PM 1197 Views
It is possible gban007 - 01/01/2016 05:59:51 AM 1327 Views
It's also possible that he created a bunch of sock puppet handles to pat himself on the back darius_sedai - 01/01/2016 06:53:27 AM 1305 Views
Re: It's also possible that he created a bunch of sock puppet handles to pat himself on the back Sidious - 01/01/2016 08:43:43 AM 1243 Views
She's. Not. A. Real. Person. Cannoli - 02/01/2016 01:49:37 AM 1307 Views
Re: She's. Not. A. Real. Person. Sidious - 02/01/2016 04:16:39 AM 1283 Views
Re: She's. Not. A. Real. Person. lilltempest - 08/01/2016 10:33:22 PM 1241 Views
Fair enough gban007 - 01/01/2016 09:31:47 AM 1073 Views
Where did I say someone who reads his posts are dumb or something? darius_sedai - 01/01/2016 05:15:30 PM 1032 Views
Not directly gban007 - 01/01/2016 09:09:05 PM 1143 Views
And yet I'm being told I'm the one acting offended darius_sedai - 02/01/2016 01:15:15 AM 1021 Views
See, this is the crap I'm talking about. TyrReborn - 01/01/2016 06:20:16 PM 1102 Views
Re: See, this is the crap I'm talking about. Sidious - 01/01/2016 07:25:38 PM 1192 Views
Okay, Mark, all kidding and stuff aside, you're being the asshole, here. Cannoli - 02/01/2016 03:49:08 AM 1205 Views
Okay... Sidious - 02/01/2016 04:50:24 AM 1141 Views
About insults... fionwe1987 - 02/01/2016 05:04:47 AM 1099 Views
I don't know where to even respond about all this! darius_sedai - 02/01/2016 07:39:43 PM 1078 Views
Re: I don't know where to even respond about all this! Sidious - 03/01/2016 10:39:10 AM 1117 Views
LOL ... Love it *NM* darius_sedai - 03/01/2016 04:17:02 PM 583 Views
Re: Okay... Cannoli - 02/01/2016 12:55:37 PM 1391 Views
Um, I think you are going a bit far with your assumptions darius_sedai - 01/01/2016 07:35:23 PM 1073 Views
Cannoli's the one who got offended. fionwe1987 - 31/12/2015 09:23:45 PM 1108 Views
Yeah, because I was talking about the books, and then you three started talking about me. Cannoli - 02/01/2016 03:55:23 AM 1121 Views
Re: Yeah, because I was talking about the books, and then you three started talking about me. fionwe1987 - 02/01/2016 04:56:36 AM 1076 Views
Re: You can dislike Cannoli, you can claim his arguments are biased... Sidious - 01/01/2016 08:41:18 AM 1090 Views
Right? Hell, I was semi-mocking YOU for even bothering to get into it with Cannoli! *NM* darius_sedai - 01/01/2016 05:20:58 PM 552 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones fionwe1987 - 29/12/2015 02:13:32 PM 1115 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones Cannoli - 30/12/2015 11:50:13 AM 1365 Views
Re: You people are the insane ones fionwe1987 - 30/12/2015 05:07:09 PM 1226 Views
My admittedly scratch memory gban007 - 31/12/2015 08:32:51 AM 1112 Views
Re: My admittedly scratch memory fionwe1987 - 31/12/2015 08:47:58 AM 1167 Views
Thanks gban007 - 01/01/2016 06:14:45 AM 1080 Views
One thing... fionwe1987 - 01/01/2016 06:42:10 AM 1026 Views
Re: One thing... Sidious - 01/01/2016 08:49:00 AM 1047 Views
Re: One thing... fionwe1987 - 01/01/2016 01:40:21 PM 1105 Views
We need a term for stuff like that. I nominate "pulling a Brandon" because "BS" is so common. Cannoli - 02/01/2016 02:13:19 AM 1098 Views
Interesting gban007 - 01/01/2016 09:18:43 AM 1090 Views
Re: Interesting darius_sedai - 01/01/2016 05:29:38 PM 1100 Views
Re: Interesting gban007 - 01/01/2016 06:50:26 PM 1028 Views
Or perhaps a mixed circle could figure it out darius_sedai - 01/01/2016 07:40:02 PM 1019 Views
Maybe it's like a broken bone? gban007 - 01/01/2016 09:10:26 PM 1079 Views
Re: Maybe it's like a broken bone? darius_sedai - 02/01/2016 01:13:05 AM 1074 Views
Re: My admittedly scratch memory Cannoli - 02/01/2016 02:10:44 AM 1299 Views
Here we go with the selective criticisms again... fionwe1987 - 02/01/2016 04:23:47 AM 1156 Views
It's not selective to point out legitimate differences in circumstances. Cannoli - 02/01/2016 12:25:07 PM 1347 Views
not true, the Sul'dam's mission was to capture or kill as many marath'damane as they could darius_sedai - 02/01/2016 08:49:28 PM 1057 Views
How are they supposed to do that without a'dam? Cannoli - 04/01/2016 01:45:52 AM 1180 Views
enemy combatant in an active hot zone darius_sedai - 04/01/2016 03:34:15 AM 1062 Views
Only if they were germane to the issue... fionwe1987 - 03/01/2016 09:32:22 AM 1028 Views
Timing of the creation of the three oaths gban007 - 03/01/2016 08:22:12 PM 1065 Views
Re: Timing of the creation of the three oaths darius_sedai - 03/01/2016 08:56:35 PM 1219 Views
Cheers gban007 - 03/01/2016 09:50:41 PM 995 Views
Re: Cheers darius_sedai - 03/01/2016 10:35:34 PM 1149 Views
Re: Only if they were germane to the issue... Cannoli - 04/01/2016 07:15:58 AM 1112 Views
Q.E.D. fionwe1987 - 04/01/2016 12:29:58 PM 1402 Views
Re: Q.E.D. Sidious - 04/01/2016 02:41:19 PM 1289 Views
Interesting... fionwe1987 - 28/12/2015 02:31:33 PM 1136 Views
Re Perrin gban007 - 29/12/2015 07:24:41 AM 1203 Views
Perrin is right almost all the time. How is he not smart? Cannoli - 04/01/2016 08:26:18 AM 1330 Views
Re: Perrin is right almost all the time. How is he not smart? kHz1000 - 04/01/2016 01:44:53 PM 1181 Views
Re: Perrin is right almost all the time. How is he not smart? Cannoli - 07/01/2016 12:24:28 AM 1424 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions Morning - 18/01/2016 04:40:03 PM 949 Views
Re: Let's have a survey! Seven questions, give your opinions Morning - 18/01/2016 04:44:10 PM 922 Views
Overrated characters Morning - 06/02/2016 04:24:55 PM 963 Views
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