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Re: well they couldn't kill Mesaana without risk that she'd be resurrected Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/12/2015 05:30:33 AM

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honestly by that point there wasn't that much left of interest to me in regards to the Forsaken. Not sure what would have qualified as a "bombshell" either.

Here's who was still around by that point:

Demandred/Boa: Killed by Lan
Graendal/Hessalam Bounceback compelled fighting Aviendha (can't remember if she died or was just essentially a mindless slave at the end)
Lanfear/Cyndane: Killed by Perrin
Moghedien: now a good damane
Moridin/Ishamael: Body swapped with Rand
Taim/M'Hael: Killed by Egwene

Dead before AMOL:

Aginor/Osan'gar: Killed by Elza
Asmodean: Killed by Graendal
Balthamel/Aran'gar: Balefired by Rand
Be'lal: Balefired by Moiraine
Mesaana: Mind destroyed by Egwene
Rhavin: Balefired by Rand
Sammael: Killed by Mashadar
Semirhage: Balefired by Rand

Given that it sounds like there was very little fan-theory around this I'm inclined to think it doesn't involve Demandred since he was the subject of a million theories and a novella. But then, Sanderson also seemed to be more deeply involved with this character than the others so perhaps he's more in tune with that?

Lanfear, aside from the Cyndane discussions and her drop in power, seems relatively unexplored theory territory, so perhaps we missed something there?


I wondered what happened to Mesaana as it's never mentioned again. It wasn't really covered in the last book. I suspect she was nursed like a profoundly incapacitated person for the rest of her natural life?

It's also not mentioned whether Graendal died, but I suspect she was healed. Graendal would actually be a good source of information - she'll spill the beans on anything, especially if Aviendha asks her anything.

I can't think of anything useful that BS could tell us, and even so, I'm not prepared to spend any more money on this series. The Companion is a disgrace. I feel like a darkfriend just for reading it. I think RJ would be very unhappy if he was resurrected and saw what had happened since his death.


I suspect the Aes Sedai keep Mesaana alive as a symbol of their might, you know how much they loved to trot out defeated enemies

Seems like an odd omission to have Graendal's fate technically unresolved given how big of a role she played in the LB, I'll have to go back and reread that scene at some point, but I agree that if she is alive she's too good of a resource to leave unused!

I think there is some twisted sense of balance in Graendal being captive to Aiel, Moghedien to the Seanchan and Mesaana the Aes Sedai. I still find RJs reluctance to kill off the women odd ... Moghedien's fate is by far the worst of all of the Forsaken IMO, Graendal and Mesaana aren't cognitively aware enough for them to really suffer for their sins and the others all had relatively quick deaths. I wish we had a few Forsaken still on the loose actually ... would have made the story feel like it was still open ended. As it is I feel like the whole thing got tied up in a "nice little bow".

I feel you on how the companion turned out ... felt very much like a bait and switch sales job. Not at all what I was expecting to get and it makes me mad. I may sift through it again to read all the entries for the individual nations, maybe if I'm bored I'll build another spreadsheet with pertinent factoids


I never got the feeling that he was keeping to his theme to not kill women, rather that he was giving them the fates that they deserve. It's almost funny to see Graendal end up as a pet, and Moghedien has been comic relief for half the series. It was funny enough to see her trying to be Demandred, and almost immediately she ends up in a pile of rubble with a a'dam around her neck. She'll spend the rest of her life much like Alivia used to be, but I think the frustration will kill her. The worst of all fates for me remains Galina... I actually feel sorry for her and can't think of anything worse.

Unlike you I was hoping that the Forsaken would all be tied off nicely. It would have been nice to see one of them burned out and walking into the sunset all depressed and dejected. Perhaps Moghedien.

With hindsight I would have liked to see Rand encounter Demandred, even if only briefly. I think it was a missed opportunity for something entertaining. Ishamael/Moridin has always been the most boring of all the Forsaken.

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