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Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM

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Elayne doesn't matter, it's about what Terez said about her. .

As far as I know, all she's said is:
Egwene had reached her full potential by the end. Elayne, Aviendha and Nynaeve had not. One very old Aes Sedai also had not (an exception).

And:


Some might have argued that Elayne and Nynaeve reached it by the end, but they weren't really even close. Nynaeve was closer.

These are the statements you mean, correct? The only other relevant point is her talking about Nynaeve not reaching her potential despite the Cleansing:


Agreed on that point. I guess one all-day workout—even if that is an understatement—isn't quite the same as a daily routine.

To me, this raises the interesting point: forcing happens when you continuously use nearly as much of the OP as you can handle. This makes you reach your potential faster. Does it follow that if you rarely hold the full amount of OP you can, you will reach your potential very slowly?

A strong Aes Sedai who doesn't go about adventuring perhaps won't have to hold all the OP they can very often. Their daily tasks will need very little of the OP, which would be less than what they can hold. Is this the reason for someone not reaching their potential?


It can lead you to make a simple logical deduction. That deduction, in the light of information from the series about Aes Sedai could lead you to one of the reasons why a potential may never be reached.

We know from the books that some Aes Sedai rarely leave the Tower. A Brown, or even one of the other Ajah that is primarily an administrator, may rarely use the OP much, and certainly not all they can. Am I close?
It's not very straight forward as far as clues go (even Terez wondered where I was going with that until I explained it). Once you make the right observation, you need to make a few more deductions. It's logical ones, though.

Hope I get there before the encyclopedia...





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Oh... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:35:08 AM 1264 Views
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mmm, Vegeta *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 821 Views
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Interesting... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1399 Views
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LOL! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1385 Views
More info on Sorilea Terez - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 1521 Views
This is great! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1447 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. Terez - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1296 Views
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Re: Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. DomA - 05/05/2014 04:25:18 PM 1280 Views
Easy answer Terez - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1224 Views
Can't argue with that! MonCul - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1351 Views
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#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? beetnemesis - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1416 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. Terez - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1464 Views
One question... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1415 Views
yes to both *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 892 Views
Suian? MikeyMikeyMikey - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1364 Views
I see why you think that, but by the way Aes Sedai judge people on strength, I doubt it beetnemesis - 09/05/2014 03:48:21 PM 1157 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* Terez - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 766 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Dirty - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1280 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* Terez - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 811 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? beetnemesis - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1276 Views
no... Terez - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1172 Views
Wild guess... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1230 Views
One of Terez's criteria DomA - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1201 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1163 Views
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Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* Terez - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 775 Views
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no Terez - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1206 Views
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Kiruna... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1186 Views
Re: Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... DomA - 14/05/2014 03:16:24 AM 1319 Views
Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1134 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1196 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1274 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? Terez - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1251 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 08:14:05 AM 1179 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1322 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1183 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1300 Views
Perhaps Romanda? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1168 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? darius_sedai - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1004 Views
Re: Wild guess... Terez - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1280 Views
Just tell them it is Satelle Anan, or one of those women who got burned out early in life... Shannow - 12/05/2014 11:59:06 AM 1328 Views
Have you even read my subject lines? :p *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 01:05:47 PM 778 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... Shannow - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1268 Views
That was one of my guesses... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1099 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 783 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1185 Views
Lots of no *NM* Terez - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 794 Views
You're killing me. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1197 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... Terez - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1292 Views
Wild speculation Zalvera - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1201 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? Shannow - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1177 Views
Hmmm Zalvera - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1214 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... Shannow - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1097 Views
The buffer Zalvera - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1199 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1374 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1236 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1172 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1236 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1274 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1164 Views
While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Shannow - 22/05/2014 08:49:02 AM 1170 Views
Re: While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Zalvera - 22/05/2014 12:03:02 PM 1071 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1169 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1191 Views
I didn't say that Terez - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1260 Views
Re: I didn't say that DomA - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1208 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1133 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1181 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1062 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1194 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1028 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... Terez - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1157 Views
you are such a tease *NM* darius_sedai - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 610 Views
Why doesn't someone... Terez - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1381 Views
Favourite part about this post... Duke - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1384 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? beetnemesis - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1197 Views
no *NM* Terez - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 750 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1263 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! DomA - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1285 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1283 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* Terez - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 790 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 912 Views
Too specific Terez - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1259 Views
Re: Too specific Dirty - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1158 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 797 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out Sidious - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1383 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1260 Views
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