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Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM

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Elayne doesn't matter, it's about what Terez said about her. .

As far as I know, all she's said is:
Egwene had reached her full potential by the end. Elayne, Aviendha and Nynaeve had not. One very old Aes Sedai also had not (an exception).

And:


Some might have argued that Elayne and Nynaeve reached it by the end, but they weren't really even close. Nynaeve was closer.

These are the statements you mean, correct? The only other relevant point is her talking about Nynaeve not reaching her potential despite the Cleansing:


Agreed on that point. I guess one all-day workout—even if that is an understatement—isn't quite the same as a daily routine.

To me, this raises the interesting point: forcing happens when you continuously use nearly as much of the OP as you can handle. This makes you reach your potential faster. Does it follow that if you rarely hold the full amount of OP you can, you will reach your potential very slowly?

A strong Aes Sedai who doesn't go about adventuring perhaps won't have to hold all the OP they can very often. Their daily tasks will need very little of the OP, which would be less than what they can hold. Is this the reason for someone not reaching their potential?


It can lead you to make a simple logical deduction. That deduction, in the light of information from the series about Aes Sedai could lead you to one of the reasons why a potential may never be reached.

We know from the books that some Aes Sedai rarely leave the Tower. A Brown, or even one of the other Ajah that is primarily an administrator, may rarely use the OP much, and certainly not all they can. Am I close?
It's not very straight forward as far as clues go (even Terez wondered where I was going with that until I explained it). Once you make the right observation, you need to make a few more deductions. It's logical ones, though.

Hope I get there before the encyclopedia...





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One Power strength: New information from RJ's notes fionwe1987 - 01/05/2014 11:39:32 PM 4256 Views
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Re: Sorry, you're mistaking the Tower for the world... Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:59:45 PM 1330 Views
Who said the Tower picked weaker channelers? There's an interesting Egwene quote... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:13:08 PM 1355 Views
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Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:57:37 PM 1389 Views
Ahh, the Rand with Egwene and Elayne scene... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:19:05 PM 1568 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. DomA - 02/05/2014 10:45:12 PM 1471 Views
About that... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:48:18 PM 1312 Views
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Re: About that... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:07:22 AM 1217 Views
Re: Thanks DomA. The problem is simple.. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 03:16:50 PM 1320 Views
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Re: Thanks a ton for that Dom... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 11:36:55 PM 1418 Views
More on Aiel learners Terez - 03/05/2014 12:46:19 AM 1402 Views
Interesting. fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:32:23 AM 1308 Views
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Oh... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 02:35:08 AM 1334 Views
Re: Oh... DomA - 03/05/2014 04:29:34 AM 1889 Views
Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? fionwe1987 - 07/05/2014 01:31:54 AM 1380 Views
Re: Can you clarify something here Dom/Terez? DomA - 07/05/2014 02:59:42 AM 1536 Views
Thanks Dom, I'm genuinely puzzled, though... Shannow - 07/05/2014 09:04:08 AM 1430 Views
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Re: Some things to consider... darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 03:32:22 AM 1185 Views
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his power level? mogi67 - 02/05/2014 04:38:59 PM 1286 Views
mmm, Vegeta *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 08:32:36 AM 862 Views
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Is there any reference whatsoever about strength multiples? Shannow - 02/05/2014 09:34:50 PM 1470 Views
I will let you know if I see something like that... Terez - 02/05/2014 10:20:46 PM 1333 Views
Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle Shannow - 03/05/2014 11:04:31 PM 1441 Views
Re: Thanks. Because it will solve the entire riddle DomA - 04/05/2014 06:16:52 AM 1469 Views
Interesting... fionwe1987 - 04/05/2014 08:14:19 AM 1493 Views
Re: Interesting... DomA - 05/05/2014 04:08:41 PM 1405 Views
LOL! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 09:46:11 PM 1486 Views
More info on Sorilea Terez - 02/05/2014 10:04:50 PM 1615 Views
This is great! fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:23:31 PM 1527 Views
In the original he might have kissed her. Terez - 03/05/2014 12:49:53 AM 1387 Views
Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. MonCul - 05/05/2014 02:53:00 PM 1581 Views
Re: Having read some of his other books with sex, I've always been curious about this. DomA - 05/05/2014 04:25:18 PM 1373 Views
Easy answer Terez - 10/05/2014 02:49:53 PM 1328 Views
Can't argue with that! MonCul - 18/05/2014 12:31:01 AM 1455 Views
Therava/Galina Terez - 10/05/2014 02:58:09 PM 1926 Views
Came across one of the oldest strength lists I'd seen... fionwe1987 - 02/05/2014 10:46:29 PM 1414 Views
#10 seems weird. An Aes Sedai who never reached her full potential? beetnemesis - 03/05/2014 06:43:41 PM 1527 Views
Not weird. There is a good reason. Terez - 03/05/2014 09:30:40 PM 1561 Views
One question... fionwe1987 - 03/05/2014 09:44:35 PM 1501 Views
yes to both *NM* Terez - 03/05/2014 10:49:29 PM 932 Views
Suian? MikeyMikeyMikey - 04/05/2014 04:50:32 PM 1460 Views
I see why you think that, but by the way Aes Sedai judge people on strength, I doubt it beetnemesis - 09/05/2014 03:48:21 PM 1230 Views
Does not meet the criteria I gave. *NM* Terez - 10/05/2014 05:23:27 AM 803 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Dirty - 11/05/2014 05:49:31 AM 1389 Views
Not someone who was severed, burned out, or anything like that. *NM* Terez - 11/05/2014 01:27:28 PM 846 Views
Did she join the Aes Sedai especially early or late in life? beetnemesis - 11/05/2014 01:47:27 PM 1398 Views
no... Terez - 11/05/2014 04:27:07 PM 1269 Views
Wild guess... fionwe1987 - 11/05/2014 06:51:27 PM 1321 Views
One of Terez's criteria DomA - 11/05/2014 09:24:57 PM 1288 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 08:51:33 AM 1265 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 13/05/2014 06:14:12 PM 1444 Views
Even I don't know what Dom is talking about. *NM* Terez - 13/05/2014 06:24:23 PM 813 Views
Does it have anything to do with the Sharans? fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:35:45 PM 1308 Views
no Terez - 14/05/2014 07:52:27 AM 1311 Views
Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... Shannow - 13/05/2014 09:26:02 PM 1375 Views
Kiruna... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:34:32 PM 1299 Views
Re: Wasn't there a Sister who was a Queen or sister to a King or something like that... DomA - 14/05/2014 03:16:24 AM 1426 Views
Re: Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2014 10:38:05 PM 1227 Views
Re: Hmmm... DomA - 14/05/2014 04:09:42 AM 1302 Views
Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 04:37:20 AM 1377 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? Terez - 14/05/2014 07:55:20 AM 1347 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/05/2014 08:14:05 AM 1265 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 15/05/2014 03:59:02 AM 1417 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? fionwe1987 - 16/05/2014 04:06:02 PM 1282 Views
Re: Oh. Is it about using as much if the OP as you can handle? DomA - 17/05/2014 03:01:25 AM 1387 Views
Perhaps Romanda? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 05/06/2015 04:22:31 PM 1270 Views
Re: Perhaps Romanda? darius_sedai - 05/06/2015 08:39:31 PM 1084 Views
Re: Wild guess... Terez - 12/05/2014 05:33:53 AM 1383 Views
Just tell them it is Satelle Anan, or one of those women who got burned out early in life... Shannow - 12/05/2014 11:59:06 AM 1430 Views
Have you even read my subject lines? :p *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 01:05:47 PM 816 Views
Alternatively, someone who went to live in Far Madding... Shannow - 12/05/2014 12:08:07 PM 1363 Views
That was one of my guesses... fionwe1987 - 12/05/2014 04:57:56 PM 1160 Views
Redirect to my initial "Not weird" post. *NM* Terez - 12/05/2014 06:59:02 PM 825 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:23:13 AM 1271 Views
Lots of no *NM* Terez - 20/05/2014 02:30:25 AM 830 Views
You're killing me. Zalvera - 20/05/2014 02:55:21 AM 1289 Views
I won't just tell you :p But... Terez - 20/05/2014 10:31:27 AM 1386 Views
Wild speculation Zalvera - 20/05/2014 01:39:52 PM 1292 Views
Could it be Verin who always used her angreal? Shannow - 20/05/2014 02:07:30 PM 1269 Views
Hmmm Zalvera - 20/05/2014 03:37:57 PM 1275 Views
Well, I'm not saying she did it to appear weaker... Shannow - 20/05/2014 03:48:10 PM 1193 Views
The buffer Zalvera - 20/05/2014 04:10:58 PM 1305 Views
I doubt using an angreal means you don't progress in natural strength beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:02:00 PM 1461 Views
Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 20/05/2014 11:53:11 PM 1332 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 21/05/2014 01:55:15 AM 1263 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 22/05/2014 02:33:30 AM 1334 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Terez - 22/05/2014 05:04:00 AM 1385 Views
So... fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 05:12:48 AM 1249 Views
While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Shannow - 22/05/2014 08:49:02 AM 1261 Views
Re: While I'm peeved that this issue gets more attention than the strength list, I like a mystery... Zalvera - 22/05/2014 12:03:02 PM 1157 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. Zalvera - 22/05/2014 11:55:38 AM 1256 Views
Re: Both potential and actual strength can be sensed. DomA - 24/05/2014 02:07:01 AM 1300 Views
I didn't say that Terez - 24/05/2014 11:24:30 PM 1351 Views
Re: I didn't say that DomA - 25/05/2014 02:32:46 PM 1302 Views
did she deliberately keep her growth slow? A small theory too darius_sedai - 17/05/2015 11:54:28 PM 1231 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 05:49:42 PM 1289 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 06:05:28 PM 1168 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 06:23:28 PM 1300 Views
Re: Not weird. There is a good reason. darius_sedai - 04/06/2015 08:37:20 PM 1123 Views
I think this will be in the Encyclopedia, so... Terez - 10/06/2015 03:06:42 PM 1253 Views
you are such a tease *NM* darius_sedai - 10/06/2015 09:05:10 PM 647 Views
Why doesn't someone... Terez - 24/05/2014 11:25:51 PM 1470 Views
Favourite part about this post... Duke - 12/05/2014 07:12:51 AM 1489 Views
With regard to #10- does it involve the Oath Rod, in some way? beetnemesis - 15/05/2014 02:53:45 PM 1298 Views
no *NM* Terez - 15/05/2014 07:16:16 PM 791 Views
Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 01:32:04 PM 1371 Views
Re: Oh, I know! It's the Sea Folk Aes Sedai! DomA - 17/05/2014 08:45:59 PM 1406 Views
An Aes Sedai who was sent away from the Tower? beetnemesis - 17/05/2014 10:01:44 PM 1409 Views
Again, no reason to think this Aes Sedai did not channel often. *NM* Terez - 18/05/2014 04:32:06 AM 832 Views
Did the Aes Sedai live in relative seclusion, did she have a Warder, and did that Warder die? *NM* beetnemesis - 20/05/2014 06:03:04 PM 942 Views
Too specific Terez - 20/05/2014 11:51:25 PM 1349 Views
Re: Too specific Dirty - 21/05/2014 05:32:32 AM 1250 Views
You think THAT isn't specific? *NM* fionwe1987 - 22/05/2014 02:41:53 AM 840 Views
It's a fine mess that no one can work out Sidious - 09/06/2014 09:20:56 AM 1490 Views
Re: It's a fine mess that no one can work out RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2015 08:48:20 PM 1362 Views
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