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Yeah Etzel Send a noteboard - 01/10/2009 09:57:01 PM
I still can't understand Semirhage's plan. How did she think she could capture Rand while he was surrounded by the most powerful channelers alive? The only possibility is that she had prepared weaves to produce intense pain or death in some of the party, which would give her enough time to a'dam Rand, and perhaps use his strength to finish off the rest of the party. Osan'gar knew pain weaves like that, and I'm sure Semirhage could do ten times the damage. What a ridiculous gamble though.


I still don't understand how idiotic Semirhage could be to think that this plan could actually work. I mean besides several Forsaken already being killed by the Lightside, Rand & Co. just managed to give almost all Forsaken a sound defeat at the Cleansing (and two of their strongest, Rand & Nynaeve, didn't even participate in the battle). It's clear that Rand has super strong *angreal, he has female & male channelers to make circles and military elite troops. Nevertheless Semirhage apparently thinks that she can take Rand and his group by just bringing 6 common sul'dam & damane, who aren't even prepared to fight the Dragon Reborn. It seems that Semirhage somehow wanted to collar the whole group via a'dam. However, the a'dam are in some box in a house nearby, not even at hand. Then after she is discovered, Semirhage has no troops to support her in an emergency case, like Rand has of course. Instead of fleeing, she just throws a puny fireball at Rand and lets herself be captured. Moron..

This is why I think a non-general sent the Trollocs after Rand in KoD. It's the dumbest plan ever. There is no way that army could kill 30 Ashaman and Aes Sedai and a group of the deadliest channelers in the Light. Rand didn't lose a single channeler, and not even one of them got injured. For all this Forsaken knew, Rand could have used the Choedan Kal on this army - he certainly still has the male Access Key. This attack could thus only have been 'brilliantly' orchestrated by someone like Moghedien or Graendal. Demandred and Moridin almost exclude themselves because of the low IQ of this military blunder.


Agreed. In my view, it was most likely Graendal, but her intention was then also to deceive the other Forsaken by playing Sammael.
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Are women really bad generals? - 01/10/2009 07:05:03 PM 1514 Views
I think that all we can conclude from this... - 01/10/2009 07:39:49 PM 808 Views
No. - 01/10/2009 07:41:35 PM 947 Views
Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 08:40:47 PM 1037 Views
Lol... too true - 01/10/2009 09:32:29 PM 928 Views
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I still haven't seen proof of Demandred or Ishamael's "brilliance". - 01/10/2009 09:56:41 PM 770 Views
Ishamael's destroyed Civilization twice - 02/10/2009 04:25:37 AM 744 Views
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but you are difficult to please - 02/10/2009 05:10:13 AM 722 Views
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Why not? - 02/10/2009 08:45:35 AM 719 Views
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I thought the same in the past... - 02/10/2009 07:01:18 AM 720 Views
Gah! Hate! - 02/10/2009 04:11:49 PM 730 Views
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Yeah, I can understand that! - 03/10/2009 12:23:25 PM 569 Views
Unless... - 01/10/2009 10:49:55 PM 773 Views
Re: Unless... - 02/10/2009 05:07:14 AM 800 Views
Well, it's entirely hypothetical, - 02/10/2009 06:31:32 AM 683 Views
Re: Or RJ just loves stacking ridiculously unfavourable odds against the male Forsaken generals... - 01/10/2009 09:51:30 PM 791 Views
What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 04:28:49 AM 748 Views
Re: What about Mat and Ituralde? - 02/10/2009 03:52:24 PM 688 Views
Good points! Also, these "generals" haven't actually fielded any troops - 01/10/2009 11:23:40 PM 677 Views
Further... - 02/10/2009 12:14:44 AM 706 Views
But as individuals they are meant to be deadly too - 02/10/2009 05:09:21 AM 666 Views
Just one point ^_^ - 03/10/2009 12:51:50 AM 693 Views
nope - 01/10/2009 08:06:57 PM 798 Views
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Birgitte's not a soldier though. - 01/10/2009 10:10:50 PM 694 Views
She says she's not, but so does Mat. - 01/10/2009 10:34:04 PM 611 Views
Mat's not a soldier, either - he's a general - 01/10/2009 10:51:29 PM 754 Views
Right, which was what we were discussing at first. - 02/10/2009 04:13:43 PM 696 Views
Yeah, I'm supporting your point about them both being generals - 02/10/2009 06:10:31 PM 706 Views
true, but she does pretty good - 02/10/2009 01:06:03 AM 748 Views
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Egeanin or Leilwin - 01/10/2009 10:35:53 PM 825 Views
A ship captain is like a calvary general - 02/10/2009 01:24:37 AM 683 Views
Right. - 02/10/2009 01:36:59 AM 684 Views
Well said. (And its short and to the point.) - 02/10/2009 03:54:23 AM 799 Views
Birgitte is too cautious to be better than an adequate tactician. - 02/10/2009 04:22:45 AM 731 Views
Isn't this more of an outgrowth or her respective specialty? - 07/10/2009 08:40:46 PM 653 Views
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Oh, puh-lease. - 02/10/2009 09:09:30 PM 880 Views
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Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 03/10/2009 08:26:27 PM 592 Views
Re: Oh, puh-lease. - 05/10/2009 05:08:27 PM 3154 Views
I always know I've out-argued an idiot when they fall back on the tired old "RJ wanted it that way" - 06/10/2009 04:42:11 AM 739 Views
um - 08/10/2009 07:36:52 PM 983 Views
Monday morning quarterbacking at its worst - 04/10/2009 07:28:36 AM 789 Views
Men and football. - 05/10/2009 04:49:35 PM 711 Views
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