Active Users:1167 Time:23/11/2024 03:31:00 AM
At that point the Shadow had PLENTY of resources in Illian though. Joel Send a noteboard - 18/08/2013 01:06:06 PM

View original post
View original post(also I don't get the complex and stupid plan of "every time he refuses, we'll kill a man of his crew", it would have been pretty obvious he would just flee, given the chance...)

It's obvious if you look at the content of the sealed letter, and at the fact the DF didn't dare use the proper channels (ie: give the letter to the Council of Nine or in Mayene to Berelain's people). A foreign ruler doesn't just go and ask the police forces of another nation to proceed to an arrest...

Bullying Domon or killing him wasn't enough, the Shadow needed access to his ship (possibly killing some of his crew was a long shot plan B to get him to hire new people, opening an opportunity to infiltrate a DF sailor to steal Domon's stuff).

Otherwise he was to be arrested at the Mayene harbor in very bizarre conditions (by a King who didn't dare petition the proper person to get his stuff back and instead left a sealed letter in the hands.... of the person he wanted to get arrested...), his possessions seized, and "Galldrian's men" would "unofficially" (ie: without petitioning Berelain as they should have if they were genuine representatives of the King) recuperate what was supposedly "theirs".

It's not spelled out but obviously they didn't have the resources to do this in Illian or anywhere else but in Mayene (for lack of DF in the right places, no doubt). It's very likely the DF came up with this plan simply because they happened to have someone among the relevant Mayene harbour officials who would get this letter and arrest Domon, seize his ship and possessions and discretely remove the seal from them, before the First of Mayene or her judiciary officials learned of it. When they did, if they did, they'd no doubt send a bird with pointed questions to Cairhien and Galldrian would deny everything (for real, but even had he been behind it he would have denied it anyway), and this would remain forever a mystery what Galldrian was so afraid would get in Berelain's hands that he didn't ask her, instead of her harbormaster, to give orders to arrest Domon.

It's doubtful in the extreme that the Council of Nine/King or the harbour officials in Illian would have agreed to give back something to supposed representatives of Galldrian without questions or without putting this in the hands of the Council of Nine first. or the Guild (Domon was a registered captain in Illian, not only a smuggler), especially since "Galldrian" didn't petition the Council as he should have and something fishy was obviously involved. It takes just a few days to get by pigeons a confirmation from the Sun Throne those representatives are no real representatives of the King of Cairhien, and it's them who would have been arrested instead of Domon.


Enough to put Sammael in charge of it anyway, which ought to have been more than enough to seize anything or everything a commoner merchant possessed, especially since Domons long history of smuggling would have surely offered plenty of legitimate criminal evidence against him without the need to fabricate any. We know from Moiraine and Lan leading the ta'verens flight from Illian early in the series that Sammael was large and (literally) in charge there at that point, just as Be'lal had managed to install himself as the man behind the throne (or non-thrones, anyway) in Tear as early as TDR.

Sometimes it really does seem like Jordan was contrived and needless convoluted for the sake of needlessly convoluted contrivance. It is a personal peeve: People constantly concoct Rube Goldberg conspiracies by satanic interdimensional alien lizards and ignore Occams Razor to declare ambiguous "evidence" and speculation "proof." Yet secretly establishing and maintaining broad deep global control via the most powerful nation(s) is easy with good connections, a little time and a LOT of money. It does not require also controlling time and space themselves so one can alter industrial steels melting point or free fall speed. 25% of global wealth is in one country, and <0.01% of that countrys population holds the bulk of it.

Need an act of violence as casus belli? Recruit a discrete capable team to do the job, and another to then do THEM. The latter neither knows nor CARES why they were hired to kill the first, so the truth dies with them. Same with DFs, who routinely have no idea WHY their orders are given and are witless enough to prefer it so.

Of course, that STILL does not tell us who went to such (failed) effort to force Domon east, and was wise enough to orchestrate a subtle complex means of convincing him, but not to be ACTUALLY subtle enough he would not detect the poorly concealed root motive. Other than, once again, Jordan being deviously complex for the sake of illustrating the Shadows devious complexity, even if it does just the opposite on closer scrutiny.

Honorbound and honored to be Bonded to Mahtaliel Sedai
Last First in wotmania Chat
Slightly better than chocolate.

Love still can't be coerced.
Please Don't Eat the Newbies!

LoL. Be well, RAFOlk.
This message last edited by Joel on 18/08/2013 at 01:08:22 PM
Reply to message
Who did try to send Bayle Domon east, and why? - 29/07/2013 10:03:15 AM 1554 Views
Dark Friends - 29/07/2013 05:04:02 PM 949 Views
Re: Dark Friends - 29/07/2013 05:08:41 PM 871 Views
It's fairly obvious, Jordan-style (ie: a few cl;ues, you have to think it up yourself) - 30/07/2013 02:56:55 PM 966 Views
Mmh I would need to re-read the relevant chapter... - 30/07/2013 03:01:51 PM 852 Views
At that point the Shadow had PLENTY of resources in Illian though. - 18/08/2013 01:06:06 PM 891 Views
Re: At that point the Shadow had PLENTY of resources in Illian though. - 18/08/2013 06:12:46 PM 741 Views
Still sounds like rationalization to me (no offense.) - 19/08/2013 03:19:51 PM 937 Views
Re: Still sounds like rationalization to me (no offense.) - 19/08/2013 05:56:29 PM 762 Views
Rand (or ter'angreal Rand) seemed to think it would. - 20/08/2013 03:34:29 AM 733 Views
The way I see it, - 20/08/2013 04:36:30 AM 735 Views
Right, so Rand either serves the Shadow in all worlds or none. - 20/08/2013 04:58:51 AM 769 Views
Re: The way I see it, - 22/08/2013 03:40:52 AM 764 Views
That's pretty much what I think, and also why I don't think there's one 'real' world. - 22/08/2013 04:01:44 AM 792 Views
Re: That's pretty much what I think, and also why I don't think there's one 'real' world. - 22/08/2013 07:54:43 PM 742 Views
I see. - 23/08/2013 03:43:22 AM 831 Views
Re: Still sounds like rationalization to me (no offense.) - 22/08/2013 03:57:04 AM 778 Views
Yeah, it works on that level, as noted in that response: - 22/08/2013 08:40:30 AM 846 Views

Reply to Message