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Re: Doubt about prophecies: Siuan and Gareth Bryne ending, and Mat and Tuon's marriage DomA Send a noteboard - 30/04/2013 07:09:38 PM

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I really disliked a couple of prophecies, but I guess I might have easily missed something...

Siuan and Gareth Bryne's ending:
• Min's viewing said that one of them would die if they weren't together
• for no really good reason they weren't together during the battle
• Siuan "just died" for normal battle reasons
nothing special. No reason for Bryne not to be with her, and she died in a quite ordinary way (ordinary considering the battle, of course).

Mat and Tuon's marriage:
• Mat had to marry Tuon "or he would die"
• he married Tuon
• he didn't die
ok... and... well... why?
I mean, I would have expected a specific moment of the story which:
• would have happened regardless of Tuon's involvement
• was crystal clear that their marriage saved him
can't recall any such moment...

Did I miss something?


(disclaimer: I liked the last book very much, there are not meant to be heavy critics, it's just a couple of points which doesn't sound good to me)


The Aelfinn just told Mat he would die if he didn't go to Rhuidean, not if he didn't marry Tuon. It's Tuon who got a foretelling that if she didn't marry Mat, she would have no other husband.

There's no way to know if the Siuan-Bryne prophecy was realized following something close to Jordan's intent, but it's doubtful. It's been revealed he left nothing concerning Siuan in either the outline or his notes past the Seanchan attack, the last scene planned/sketched by RJ in which she had a role. Everything happening to her after the rescue had to be invented by TJ. It's Harriet who decided there would be a plot twist that the Viewing wasn't fulfilled by Egwene's rescue but was still ongoing and Siuan would mistakenly believe they were safe after that, and die.

Jordan's role for Siuan during TG, her exact place near Egwene post rescue and the state of their relationship after her disobedience, and her final fate were either undetermined or RJ had it in his head only (not rare apparently as RJ had an excellent memory and didn't note everything. Sanderson commented several plot points were in the outline alone, with no sign of planning in the notes). Bryne was to lead as he did, the Great Generals plot came from the outline. Was he to die or not, we'll never know what RJ's version would have been.

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