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There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. Joel Send a noteboard - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM
Where's the character development if they never get to make real, hard choices?


This was Wheel of Time in a nutshell. Of course, it was amazing how no major characters died in 13 books, and only three major characters died in the last one, and all in the same chapter (sorry, Bryne is very secondary despite his screen time later on). That was highly unrealistic, but the character development suffered severely because of the problem you highlighted.

For example, if Mats Aiel paramour had tried to seduce him to the Shadow instead of just immediately trying to kill him when Rand announced his attack plans. Killing her instead was definitely hard for Mat, but the only "choice" was do or die, and she, he and Jordan take it equally for granted that Mat would not even have been momentarily tempted to turn if she asked. The whole series would have been FAR more interesting with more extended PoVs of peoples gradual descent into Shadow for what were initially well-intended motives (e.g. Ingtar.) It should also be noted that Mat only escaped Ebou Dar by assaulting and binding his NEXT girlfriend (definitely a hard choice for those raised on Two Rivers chauvinism,) and spends the rest of the series self-flagellating over whether it got her killed.

The problem was not so much that characters were never forced to make hard choices to prove their mettle, or even that they were always spared the consequences of those choices. The problem was that the with rare exception the consequences were never all that bad, and frequently quite positive in the end, despite all the complaining about them at the time. We seldom see "the road more traveled," though one might argue those taking it make poor epic protagonists. We occasionally see it with other Two Rivers residents of the protagonists age viewing their return with jealousy and resentment, then awe; those who made the hard choice to leave with Moiraine (however much she influenced that choice) return with far greater abilities, experience and stature than their erstwhile peer group.

The main characters make many hard choices, but, with the notable exception of Rand (who frequently has NO good choices,) they always choose the "right" one, with almost uniformly beneficial consequences. Ironically, the character Jordan presents the most developmental dilemmas is not Rand, but Perrin; unfortunately, Perrins response is so miserable it robs most of the pleasure we could have had from witnessing it. He is so broody and angry he acts like HE is the one fated to go mad, break the world and die saving it. Mat responds far better, transforming from a shiftless simple lech to a sophisticated responsible husband and general. He still complains incessantly, but with Mat there is seldom any real heat to it; empty casual complaining about events largely of his own making is just how he passes the time.
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Re: She paralyzed his character development even when Jordan thought she advanced it. - 15/01/2013 12:39:23 AM 996 Views
You just hit on probably the major structural weakness of the series with respect to characters. - 15/01/2013 02:54:59 AM 995 Views
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There were plenty of hard choices, but they might have been handled better. - 15/01/2013 06:58:30 AM 1098 Views
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I just added a sentence at the end to make the series end properly. - 14/01/2013 10:47:18 PM 1032 Views
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I thought Noal was riding Bela... *NM* - 14/01/2013 10:47:56 PM 470 Views
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The real problem - 15/01/2013 11:30:37 AM 907 Views
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Oh...I think we know :-) *NM* - 16/01/2013 04:31:18 PM 565 Views
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Re: Tuon - 15/01/2013 03:33:34 PM 1095 Views
I had not noticed that before, but you are right. - 15/01/2013 07:45:53 PM 872 Views
I agree completely... - 15/01/2013 05:19:40 PM 1125 Views
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Tell me then... - 18/01/2013 09:08:08 AM 888 Views
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Are you saying... - 18/01/2013 09:21:34 PM 895 Views
That is a pathetic answer. - 19/01/2013 04:56:13 AM 829 Views
You're a pathetic ass - 19/01/2013 06:48:47 AM 874 Views
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Sad for you. *NM* - 19/01/2013 09:24:59 PM 460 Views
Oh, gosh, this could take a while. - 18/01/2013 05:58:15 PM 923 Views
How exactly was Faile the cause for Hopper's death? - 19/01/2013 12:31:55 AM 841 Views
Because her kidnapping was the reason Perrin led his hodge podge army to rescue her, and got trapped - 19/01/2013 01:00:26 AM 757 Views
Her kidnapping... - 19/01/2013 01:32:40 AM 783 Views
I said outright I do not fault her as a character for that (only Jordan for writing it that way. ) - 19/01/2013 07:35:57 PM 844 Views
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