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Elaida, Formidable? Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM
More accurately, violent disgust.

So, Elaida is a power-obsessed despot. That's nothing new. But she used to be a formidable power-obsessed despot. Where is your knitting or your ivory figurines, Elaida? When she sent Alviarin crying to Mesaana in Crossroads of Twilight (and some people say nothing happened in that book...) I figured, 'this is what happens when you mess with this power-obsessed despot'. Elaida was a tyrannical egotist, but she got things done. Shrieking like a caricature over spilled soup on her carpet? Not impressive.



Elaida was never formidable. Oh she looked imposing to people who didn't know any better but it was all a front. She was always incompetent and never had her emotions under control.
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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There's still a difference... - 25/09/2009 04:28:55 AM 1500 Views
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But... - 26/09/2009 03:44:31 PM 1545 Views
Re: But... - 26/09/2009 04:08:35 PM 1548 Views
She could have not bungled up... - 26/09/2009 05:17:02 PM 1351 Views
In PoD, it is revealed that Alviarin makes Elaida swear obedience to her. - 26/09/2009 07:48:01 PM 1590 Views
he's saying that. - 26/09/2009 10:12:16 PM 1443 Views
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Egwene knows about the letter, and soon the BA hunters will too. - 24/09/2009 07:46:34 PM 1669 Views
She's got to be 'raised' to the shawl first, to take the 4 oaths. - 24/09/2009 10:33:42 PM 1591 Views
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Her part will probably be... - 24/09/2009 06:06:08 PM 1666 Views
I think her mission has changed. - 24/09/2009 06:08:11 PM 1430 Views
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Good 1st chapter of Egwene's plotline! - 24/09/2009 05:15:32 PM 1638 Views
Painful to listen to - 24/09/2009 05:33:22 PM 1696 Views
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I struggle to think of Mesaana as a novice - 25/09/2009 05:16:57 AM 1598 Views
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Re: I think... - 24/09/2009 07:33:34 PM 1368 Views
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Re: I think... - 25/09/2009 07:25:34 PM 1527 Views
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I all excited! - 24/09/2009 06:26:23 PM 1496 Views
Yay - 24/09/2009 07:00:41 PM 1768 Views
Egwene is arrogant as ever...thinking Rand can't possibly get along without guidance *NM* - 24/09/2009 08:25:24 PM 1154 Views
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Re: The problem is that Egwene isn't honest with herself. - 24/09/2009 08:46:09 PM 1613 Views
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So do the Tower Reds, only the Seanchan don't know that yet... - 25/09/2009 04:46:17 AM 1488 Views
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no.. - 26/09/2009 09:12:52 PM 1456 Views
The title of book 13... - 24/09/2009 09:19:17 PM 1445 Views
Swing and a miss. - 24/09/2009 10:33:46 PM 1644 Views
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Or maybe the fortress in the blight? - 25/09/2009 12:51:05 PM 1494 Views
Yes, those Towers... - 25/09/2009 03:10:40 PM 1555 Views
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Yeah, that's possible. - 25/09/2009 03:11:33 PM 1535 Views
Egwene's surprising decision... - 25/09/2009 08:38:51 PM 1418 Views
I think it's an exaggeration - 25/09/2009 09:01:22 PM 1540 Views
Re: Egwene's surprising decision... - 26/09/2009 12:58:51 AM 1582 Views
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I think Egwene is building up an immunity to forkroot. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:03:58 AM 1003 Views
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Egwene's respect reminds me of Niall's comment to Morgase - 25/09/2009 03:39:19 AM 1485 Views
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Raken - they are used as messengers - 25/09/2009 02:43:29 PM 1447 Views
Egwene... surprised me. It was great. - 24/09/2009 08:49:36 PM 1392 Views
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Katerine is Black Ajah - 24/09/2009 10:48:14 PM 1537 Views
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This was a truely beautiful chapter *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:22:48 PM 956 Views
Really? - 24/09/2009 11:37:59 PM 1486 Views
Daaayyum - when did Elaida become such a baller/shot caller? - 24/09/2009 11:23:41 PM 1483 Views
In regards to Alviarin. - 25/09/2009 01:32:09 AM 1596 Views
Could Elaida pass a 4th Oath? - 25/09/2009 05:13:08 AM 1526 Views
The Black Ajah would never stand for it, even if the other sisters would - 25/09/2009 06:38:19 AM 1692 Views
And therein lies Elaida's genius... - 25/09/2009 07:08:48 PM 1659 Views
Fain as the source of much of the Tower's woes - 25/09/2009 05:30:49 AM 1497 Views
No one else thinks Fain has had any influence on Elaida's erratic behavior? *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:32:05 PM 987 Views
I agree. Fain is affecting her, for certain. NT *NM* - 28/09/2009 02:30:45 AM 1032 Views
What about Mesaana? - 25/09/2009 06:03:41 PM 1408 Views
Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:34:35 PM 1537 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:38:39 PM 1529 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 03:40:32 PM 1547 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 04:16:16 PM 1542 Views
We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:18:21 PM 1682 Views
Re: We already saw Mat confront Egwene in Salidar. What more - 25/09/2009 04:37:04 PM 1571 Views
That's not his argument though - 25/09/2009 04:34:35 PM 1382 Views
Ah okay. - 25/09/2009 04:36:00 PM 1497 Views
She seemed okay with it in KoD - 25/09/2009 04:38:53 PM 1623 Views
I think... - 25/09/2009 03:47:26 PM 1616 Views
Nice ideas! *NM* - 25/09/2009 03:51:01 PM 1278 Views
That is really good idea - 25/09/2009 08:12:34 PM 1709 Views
Though... - 26/09/2009 01:32:18 PM 1565 Views
Re: Mat vs Egwene - 25/09/2009 06:15:56 PM 1378 Views
egwene and elaida's 4th oath - 25/09/2009 03:51:36 PM 1519 Views
Egwene's Hypocrisy here is astounding: - 29/09/2009 03:39:25 AM 1498 Views
Egwene and Mesaana - 25/09/2009 06:07:37 PM 1564 Views
Come now...even though Mesaana is whimpy for a Forsaken, she would wipe the floor with Egwene... - 25/09/2009 06:10:13 PM 1590 Views
Alright, I *may* have overlooked that significant point. - 25/09/2009 06:21:09 PM 1419 Views
Agreed - 26/09/2009 06:36:01 AM 1482 Views
Depends on where the battle takes place. TAR = Egwene win. - 02/10/2009 06:10:07 PM 1590 Views
Egwene would need to lead a circle or use an angreal to beat her. *NM* - 25/09/2009 06:31:42 PM 964 Views
Unless it was based on willpower as in a conflict within Tel'Aran'Rhiod - 25/09/2009 07:19:50 PM 1492 Views
Humph. - 26/09/2009 03:27:09 AM 1443 Views
She was overconfident - 26/09/2009 03:24:51 PM 1486 Views
A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:31:36 PM 1704 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 02:50:49 PM 1505 Views
Re: A lie by Elaida? - 27/09/2009 03:01:06 PM 1448 Views
I don't think it covers things like that - 27/09/2009 04:10:05 PM 1475 Views
She believes what she said *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:52 AM 945 Views
Remember, perspective. - 29/09/2009 12:14:59 AM 1382 Views
It might well be true - 29/09/2009 12:38:20 AM 1499 Views
Well... that elicited quite a reaction. - 28/09/2009 06:25:52 AM 1309 Views
I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 05:27:43 PM 1569 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 06:42:56 PM 1327 Views
Re: I had many of those same thoughts. - 28/09/2009 11:08:00 PM 1469 Views
I've just learned to skip any female POV's written by RJ - 29/09/2009 04:38:45 AM 1504 Views
Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 05:30:44 AM 1547 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 29/09/2009 06:26:17 AM 1556 Views
Ridiculous - 30/09/2009 12:34:07 AM 1381 Views
Very. - 30/09/2009 02:40:07 AM 1513 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 03:00:01 AM 1499 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 30/09/2009 04:32:14 AM 1552 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 03:23:21 AM 1456 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 01/10/2009 04:51:14 AM 1483 Views
Re: Hmmm.... - 03/10/2009 01:57:24 PM 1809 Views
That's Mesaana's purpose actually *NM* - 06/11/2009 07:03:12 AM 910 Views
Elaida, Formidable? - 29/09/2009 11:48:04 PM 1556 Views
How do you figure? - 30/09/2009 12:15:47 AM 1295 Views
Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 12:35:07 AM 1519 Views
Re: Aside from successfuly orchastrate the coup what has she done? - 30/09/2009 02:29:37 AM 1412 Views
Broke the Black Ajah's hold on the Amyrlin seat??????? - 30/09/2009 06:09:08 PM 1369 Views
Ignore *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:20:12 PM 923 Views
Oh yeah, and... - 29/09/2009 04:22:57 AM 1624 Views
Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:04:35 AM 1523 Views
Re: Egwene in this chapter... - 29/09/2009 05:59:33 AM 1649 Views
Author thoughts - Audiobook versus reading - 29/09/2009 05:30:39 AM 1516 Views
Yes, I've felt very much the same *NM* - 29/09/2009 12:52:52 PM 1055 Views
A lot of that is the narrator - 29/09/2009 04:36:47 PM 1574 Views
The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:21:24 PM 1609 Views
Good point! *NM* - 30/09/2009 06:26:51 PM 978 Views
Re: The Dark One's Touch - 30/09/2009 06:44:53 PM 1402 Views
What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:11:18 PM 1367 Views
Re: What about the person who has the ter'angreal dagger? - 30/09/2009 07:17:06 PM 1612 Views
The Irony of Elaida - 30/09/2009 11:10:08 PM 1519 Views
LOL, I agree. - 01/10/2009 02:47:18 AM 1476 Views

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