One other thing to remember when judging how strong Rand was at the Eye, we don't know that Aginor was 100% either. We know from Rand's & Asmodean's comments that the physical condition of the body affects how much you can channel. When Rand broke free from the AS he noted that he was in bad shape and worried about how strong he was channeling. Again Asmodean told Rand after his long range duel with Sammael in Cairhien that its dangerous to channell if the body is exhausted.
What has all this to do with the events at the Eye. By all accounts Aginor had just been released and he was not looking so good. We know from quotes in the series and RJ's Q&A that the two forsaken were sealed very close to the surface so they were aware of what was going on in the world but they were aged as well.
When Aginor went to the Eye he was probably not at full strenght himself. This did not worry him as his companion was in just as bad a shape as he was perhaps worse and he was going to face someone completly untrained. Rand was strong at the time, he was able to skim and his attack on the shadowspawn was impressive but he may not have been full forsaken strenght then and still be able to match Aginor who burned himself out because he drew what he was capable of holding on an ordinary day and never took into acount that his body had been worn down by 3,000 years.
What has all this to do with the events at the Eye. By all accounts Aginor had just been released and he was not looking so good. We know from quotes in the series and RJ's Q&A that the two forsaken were sealed very close to the surface so they were aware of what was going on in the world but they were aged as well.
When Aginor went to the Eye he was probably not at full strenght himself. This did not worry him as his companion was in just as bad a shape as he was perhaps worse and he was going to face someone completly untrained. Rand was strong at the time, he was able to skim and his attack on the shadowspawn was impressive but he may not have been full forsaken strenght then and still be able to match Aginor who burned himself out because he drew what he was capable of holding on an ordinary day and never took into acount that his body had been worn down by 3,000 years.
I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women.
04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM
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My thoughts
04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM
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90 is REALLY high
04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM
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Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation**
04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM
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Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right.
07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM
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He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye
07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM
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No I don't think so
07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM
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I'd say more than 80
07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM
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81 then
07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM
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and that's just YOUR theory Sidius
07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM
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Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels
07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM
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Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off
07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM
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I disagree.
07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM
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Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world
07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM
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Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world
07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM
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he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin
07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM
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Just to be a bitch
07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM
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He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal.
10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM
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Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different
11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM
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I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM*
11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM
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as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM*
11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM
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think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90.
07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM
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There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either
07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM
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the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM*
07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM
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that's what I just said *NM*
07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM
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that was not clear *NM*
07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM
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*shrug*
07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM
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Re: *shrug*
10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM
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If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps
11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM
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in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and
11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM
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whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done
11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM
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About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored:
08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM
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Perhaps
08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM
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Re: Perhaps
08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM
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Like I said ... Could be
08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM
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I disagree...
08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM
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Re: I disagree...
08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM
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I disagree again!
08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM
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Probably
08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM
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Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand
08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM
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And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed
08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM
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Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed
08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM
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Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig
08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM
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I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series...
08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM
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Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series...
08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM
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Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored:
11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM
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Re: Rand v Aginor
16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM
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