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Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM
They obviously had reason to believe he was strong and dangerous, but there isn't good evidence that they had an accurate idea of his strength relative to themselves.

In my opinion their wariness comes from the fact that they have reason to believe he is quite strong from the bodycount of their peers that have encountered him. They just know that he is strong and that he is clearly dangerous. Hence they can't risk his strength.

I wonder how much they feared his Ta'veren effect. In my opinion he was more lucky than good in the first few books. But I don't recall any forsaken expressing wariness about facing him due to his being Ta'veren. I wonder why.


You are probably correct. They were mostly getting their information from spies and the like and then seeing the body count. No way for them to be certain how strong he actually was.

As to the Ta'Veren piece they all seem unconcerned with it in all three boys. They clearly don't understand the significance ... With the exception of Moridin.
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1678 Views
My thoughts Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1083 Views
90 is REALLY high DREWRULESWOT! - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1043 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 998 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. DREWRULESWOT! - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 948 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 905 Views
No I don't think so Sidious - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 808 Views
I'd say more than 80 darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 766 Views
81 then Sidious - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 701 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 795 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 808 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 771 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 590 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels Onarishma - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 827 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 775 Views
I disagree. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 712 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 727 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 719 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 808 Views
Just to be a bitch Sidious - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 658 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 830 Views
*NM* Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 673 Views
He didn't face Asmodean he chased him and wrestled him over a sa'angreal. Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:16:18 PM 846 Views
Asmo hurled plenty of stuff at Rand during the "Chase" it wasnt all that much different darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:16:36 AM 725 Views
I disagree with your plenty cause no one was TRYING to crush him. *NM* Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:13:12 PM 468 Views
as I said before ... your interpretations are yours to have ... as are mine. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:36 PM 385 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 771 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 773 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 506 Views
that's what I just said *NM* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 428 Views
that was not clear *NM* Onarishma - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 520 Views
*shrug* darius_sedai - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 667 Views
Re: *shrug* Onarishma - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 769 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 806 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and Onarishma - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 713 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done darius_sedai - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 690 Views
Onarishma - 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 959 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 902 Views
Perhaps darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 743 Views
Re: Perhaps fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 801 Views
Like I said ... Could be darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 790 Views
I disagree... fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 716 Views
Re: I disagree... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 667 Views
I disagree again! fionwe1987 - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 748 Views
Probably darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 776 Views
Re: Probably fionwe1987 - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 772 Views
Not really darius_sedai - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 691 Views
Re: Not really fionwe1987 - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 704 Views
Re: Not really darius_sedai - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 798 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples Sidious - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 767 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 686 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 665 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 723 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 742 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed TheCrownless - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 722 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 777 Views
I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 878 Views
Re: I don't think they could have had a clear idea of his strength eary in the series... darius_sedai - 08/12/2012 02:54:08 PM 701 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* Narg - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 510 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: Dunstan - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 749 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor Watcher - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 720 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before darius_sedai - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 675 Views
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