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No I don't think so Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM
Just finished Knife of Dreams in my reread and apparently, as of the confrontation with Semi in Altara, Narishma is the strongest of the AM with Rand...because of this, I tend to agree with you that Narishma is probably going to end up near Forsaken strength. He must be above 50, at this point, if he's stronger than Flinn, with more room yet to grow. I guess that makes sense, though, considering how men seem to grow in leaps and bounds; he could easily go from the low 20s to 50 in a couple months with that sort of growth.

As far as Flinn goes, I know that Talent and strength are different, but we do know that at least in a few cases, they are related. Traveling, for instance, has correlations with strength, and we see that Nynaeve is one of the best at Healing. I'm not saying that that HAS to be the case with Flinn, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if his strength had something to do with it.

With Logain and Taim...I can see it both ways. I won't even try to dispute that they're Forsaken strength, but I always figured they were slightly below the upper-tier guys like Aginor and Demandred (and on that note, where do we see that Rand matched Aginor in EotW and Ishy in TGH? As far as I can remember, he never directly channeled against Ishy there, and he only faced off against Aginor with the aid of the Eye).


Aginor destroyed himself attempting to channel too much of the Eye's power, meanwhile Rand survived it. As for Ishy v. Rand it's clear that Rand was in the weight class even if they didn't have an actual OP duel. The real point here is that Rand was at Forsaken male strength basically from the beginning of the series. If he had not been he would have been destroyed very quickly.


If we had to make it academic, I'd say that the Eye was made to force Rand to his full potential within minutes... That's why so many people died to create it. It thus allowed a channeler to go from zero to maximum, which is why Aginor overreached and died. Rand could draw 100 while Aginor could draw 95, which also explains why he could take it from Aginor.

Unfortunately Aginor also used up a large part of the Eye before Rand stole it from him. I think Rand was pushed to about 80 before the Eye was used up. After that his strength increases were very well portrayed. He was well past any modern woman in the series from book 2. He equalled Asmodean in book 4, Rahvin in 5, and Sammael in 7 (he exceeded Osan'gar then too).
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I really hate to bring up strength in the OP, but thankfully it doesn't regard Egwene or any women. - 04/12/2012 06:01:45 AM 1678 Views
My thoughts - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1082 Views
90 is REALLY high - 04/12/2012 07:25:15 AM 1043 Views
Couple of things ... **reminder that this is a lot of speculation** - 04/12/2012 04:29:50 PM 998 Views
Narishma is definitely stronger, you're right. - 07/12/2012 03:00:53 AM 948 Views
He was stronger than Aginor in order to channel the power of the Eye - 07/12/2012 03:00:10 PM 905 Views
No I don't think so - 07/12/2012 04:13:48 PM 808 Views
I'd say more than 80 - 07/12/2012 07:07:32 PM 765 Views
81 then - 07/12/2012 08:11:34 PM 701 Views
and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 09:13:42 PM 794 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 07/12/2012 10:14:53 PM 808 Views
there were more like MILLIONS of Forsaken during these times - 07/12/2012 10:30:34 PM 771 Views
Re: and that's just YOUR theory Sidius - 28/12/2012 08:44:51 PM 590 Views
Aginors defeat could be a result of multiple factors. So can Ishmaels - 07/12/2012 01:24:18 PM 826 Views
Regardless, Rand was clearly in the same strength category when Aginor and he faced off - 07/12/2012 03:03:04 PM 775 Views
I disagree. - 07/12/2012 06:55:43 PM 712 Views
Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:12:44 PM 727 Views
Re: Aginor burned out trying to use the Eye in the real world - 07/12/2012 07:51:37 PM 719 Views
he faced Asmodean strength for strength before Rahvin - 07/12/2012 09:23:42 PM 808 Views
Just to be a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:17:11 PM 658 Views
you don't actually have to tell us all you are a bitch - 07/12/2012 10:36:25 PM 830 Views
*NM* - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 672 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 771 Views
There is also no why to tell if Flinn hit Demandred with all the strength available to him either - 07/12/2012 03:05:38 PM 773 Views
the "circle" was stronger but the individuals weren't *NM* - 07/12/2012 06:58:38 PM 506 Views
that's what I just said *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 428 Views
that was not clear *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 520 Views
*shrug* - 07/12/2012 09:25:00 PM 667 Views
Re: *shrug* - 10/12/2012 11:27:42 PM 769 Views
If I had said the individuals in the circle added to Dmandreds strength perhaps - 11/12/2012 03:28:23 AM 806 Views
in the context of this discussion you did not distinguish between the effective strength and - 11/12/2012 07:10:48 PM 713 Views
whatever ... didn't think it was necessary ... and with that I'm done - 11/12/2012 09:16:03 PM 689 Views
- 17/12/2012 11:22:55 PM 959 Views
About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 08/12/2012 12:37:38 AM 902 Views
Perhaps - 08/12/2012 01:01:21 AM 742 Views
Re: Perhaps - 08/12/2012 02:06:39 AM 801 Views
Like I said ... Could be - 08/12/2012 02:33:43 AM 789 Views
I disagree... - 08/12/2012 04:53:09 AM 716 Views
Re: I disagree... - 08/12/2012 05:20:08 AM 667 Views
I disagree again! - 08/12/2012 05:49:15 AM 748 Views
Probably - 08/12/2012 02:46:15 PM 776 Views
Re: Probably - 09/12/2012 07:51:59 PM 772 Views
Not really - 09/12/2012 10:13:07 PM 691 Views
Re: Not really - 10/12/2012 01:05:54 AM 704 Views
Re: Not really - 13/12/2012 03:58:48 PM 798 Views
I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 08/12/2012 06:18:45 AM 767 Views
We're essentially saying the same thing now - 08/12/2012 02:37:17 PM 686 Views
Re: I don't think the Forsaken are good examples - 28/12/2012 08:08:21 PM 665 Views
Always thought the forsaken didn't really know much about Rand - 08/12/2012 02:38:08 AM 723 Views
And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 02:43:15 AM 741 Views
Re: And they had plenty of spies around him and clearly knew that he managed - 08/12/2012 05:34:54 AM 722 Views
Who can say. Graendal wraps them so deep in compulsion that she can dig - 08/12/2012 05:42:39 AM 777 Views
Oops, double post. *NM* - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 510 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 749 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 719 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 675 Views

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