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think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. Onarishma Send a noteboard - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM
Have there been any established strengths for Logain, Narishma, and Flinn? I'm on Knife of Dreams in my re-read, and it just hit me that Narishma is described here as weaker than Merise, which surprised me...though he's not reached his potential, yet. Similarly, I'd be interested to see where Taim ranks, as well. I always thought of Logain and him as being about the same level, but is there any credence to that assumption?

(If I had to make guesses based on my current feelings, I'd rank them as such:

Narishma: 20?
Flinn: 40
Logain/Taim: 80

Does that make any sense at all?)

Theorize/correct away.


We don't know much about Narishma and Flinn. Rand sometimes says how they are becoming more powerful but he says once that no Ash'aman is close in power to him (though they are both probably not at full strength). Flinn is stronger than Gedwyn and Rochaid, both of whom think that together they could fight as strongly as Rand.

He says later that Logain and Taim are close to as strong as him, so they're both at least on 90 or higher.


I figured that they were both below the level of Aginor/Sammael, and certainly below Demandred. The reason I say this is that Rand thinks of Taim as being close to his strength in LoC, and he didn't hit his potential until the Cleansing.

The thing with Flinn, now that I think about it, is that he MUST be stronger than 40. He's in a circle with two AS at the Cleansing, (I don't remember who, exactly, but I figure they're both slightly above average for AS strength, so let's say 20 each) and with the linking penalty, their combined strengths would still have to be above 90 to give credence to Demandred's thought that their weaving is as strong as his own. So maybe Flinn's closer to a 55? Maybe his strength is part of why he's the best at Healing that we've seen yet (which we know, at least seems to be the case, since Cadsuane considers Samitsu "the best alive at Healing—at least until the appearance of Damer Flinn" (CoT 671) and Cadsuane knows Nynaeve as well).
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My thoughts - 04/12/2012 07:15:44 AM 1083 Views
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*NM* - 08/12/2012 06:22:49 AM 673 Views
think youre misjudgjng the benefits of the link. they dont have to add up to 90. - 07/12/2012 12:34:59 PM 772 Views
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that's what I just said *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:23:34 PM 428 Views
that was not clear *NM* - 07/12/2012 07:43:54 PM 520 Views
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Oops, double post. *NM* - 08/12/2012 09:34:36 AM 510 Views
Re: About Rand's strength... an important quote is being ignored: - 11/12/2012 11:36:51 PM 749 Views
Re: Rand v Aginor - 16/12/2012 01:46:08 PM 720 Views
Not a bad theory and I've read it before - 16/12/2012 07:42:31 PM 675 Views

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