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Mostly agreed darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/12/2012 04:34:47 AM
Moiraine has never used the bond to compel Lan, per his own words, and Myrelle thinks it is incredibly unfair that Warders get the raw end of the deal. Daigian also seems to think its only natural and good that the Aes Sedai suffer for the loss of their Warder, and I don't see others like Verin and Cadsuane having different views on this.

Like many things with the OP, the Warder bond is not inherently evil or bad. Like you said, it depends on the Aes Sedai. And the Aes Sedai who abuse their Warder bond seem to be in a minority.


The main characters and most AS we've seen are pretty compassionate. Although Cadsuane mentions Merise is good with her Warders, but Merise seems to treat her warders more like dogs to train. Sionid and Joline seem to have similar relationships to their Warders as Merise and Alanna attempted to compel Rand without Verin thinking tide about it ... Aside from it not working.
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No reason it can't be both Pevara asking Androl AND Androl being Farestrider's kid *NM* darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 02:11:58 AM 694 Views
The whole idea of "Farstrider's son" sounds silly, if you ask me DomA - 28/11/2012 03:23:11 AM 1411 Views
I think this is Egwene... fionwe1987 - 28/11/2012 06:38:02 AM 996 Views
Re: I think this is Egwene... DomA - 28/11/2012 03:54:09 PM 1774 Views
well isn't wild speculation part of the reason for a discussion forum? darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 04:00:35 PM 902 Views
could be a mocking quote mazza3 - 28/11/2012 04:41:36 PM 1083 Views
Possibly to the Sea Folk *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 28/11/2012 04:45:30 PM 568 Views
Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 05:18:05 PM 1293 Views
Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me. Narg - 28/11/2012 06:04:36 PM 1115 Views
Re: Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me. DomA - 28/11/2012 06:35:35 PM 1152 Views
I was thinking that this exchange could happen later in the book... Narg - 28/11/2012 08:21:05 PM 1079 Views
Re: I was thinking that this exchange could happen later in the book... DomA - 28/11/2012 09:33:46 PM 1070 Views
Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... aven - 28/11/2012 06:31:56 PM 1013 Views
Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ... VTHokie - 28/11/2012 06:43:32 PM 994 Views
that is a good observation and explains the tone of the sentence *NM* darius_sedai - 28/11/2012 07:43:06 PM 546 Views
I like it. *NM* Narg - 28/11/2012 08:24:58 PM 535 Views
That makes me feel better. Kaldric - 29/11/2012 02:59:15 PM 925 Views
Berelain or an Aiel Heiko - 29/11/2012 06:01:48 AM 969 Views
Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin DomA - 28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM 1124 Views
Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? *NM* HyogaRott - 29/11/2012 05:22:01 PM 621 Views
Re: Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? darius_sedai - 29/11/2012 05:55:22 PM 948 Views
No, I think it is Egwene demanding it from Alanna, or Elayne... lilltempest - 29/11/2012 06:27:59 PM 1074 Views
Re: Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? Underwood - 29/11/2012 06:30:46 PM 986 Views
I can't see a forsaken wanting the bond with all the downsides it would cary for them. HyogaRott - 29/11/2012 06:36:08 PM 1076 Views
Egwene to Alanna, IMO. DomA - 29/11/2012 07:00:01 PM 1283 Views
Highly doubtful... fionwe1987 - 29/11/2012 07:14:33 PM 1074 Views
Agreed, Egwene would see the disadvantages of holding his bond as outweighing the advantages darius_sedai - 29/11/2012 07:27:48 PM 1050 Views
Regarding Rand "tracking her actions", she can mask the bond to take care of that. *NM* lilltempest - 29/11/2012 07:45:03 PM 666 Views
That masking works both ways... *NM* fionwe1987 - 29/11/2012 07:49:41 PM 539 Views
Does it? Have we seen a Warder who can mask the bond from his owner? lilltempest - 29/11/2012 07:54:17 PM 891 Views
Most warders aren't channelers... Min can't mask and she is the bonder in the situation and then Onarishma - 29/11/2012 08:05:53 PM 1130 Views
You're right, most aren't channelers... lilltempest - 29/11/2012 08:22:04 PM 906 Views
That's because you see it as a leash... Onarishma - 03/12/2012 10:45:17 PM 971 Views
well it can be a leash, but that's up to the bond holder darius_sedai - 03/12/2012 10:56:49 PM 988 Views
where have we seen this emotional and physical stress that was related at all to the bond? *NM* Onarishma - 04/12/2012 12:08:23 AM 605 Views
Eylas comes to mind darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:31:17 AM 759 Views
Even Cadsuane speaks of "taming" men who are bonded... lilltempest - 04/12/2012 06:31:25 AM 978 Views
No argument from me on most of this darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:36:28 PM 1064 Views
Moiraine and Myrelle seem to have a similar view... fionwe1987 - 04/12/2012 12:10:05 AM 1081 Views
Mostly agreed darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 04:34:47 AM 984 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 29/11/2012 08:42:25 PM 984 Views
I think Aviendha (she told Min about it) is simply ignorant about the mechanics of masking *NM* darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 03:44:01 AM 591 Views
Elayne told Min... fionwe1987 - 30/11/2012 05:07:44 AM 838 Views
You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 03:59:27 PM 901 Views
Re: You are correct ... Min told Aviendha! darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 04:04:53 PM 981 Views
Nope.. fionwe1987 - 30/11/2012 08:56:59 PM 830 Views
this is the scene I'm referring too ... but it DID work for Aviendha darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 10:19:21 PM 967 Views
Thanks to both of you for digging this up... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 04:01:48 AM 934 Views
Re: Thanks to both of you for digging this up... fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 04:37:54 AM 914 Views
About Alanna, that isn't right... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 05:51:03 AM 874 Views
It most certainly is... fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 03:52:45 PM 954 Views
LOL! I love how you make up nonexistent scenes to support your case. lilltempest - 01/12/2012 11:12:46 PM 969 Views
Says the woman who's come up with the most ridiculously fantastic scenarios... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2012 03:04:54 AM 906 Views
Yet Min holds Rands Bond *NM* darius_sedai - 01/12/2012 05:48:39 AM 526 Views
And? What does that prove? lilltempest - 01/12/2012 05:53:43 AM 983 Views
I think we do know a couple of things darius_sedai - 01/12/2012 03:32:09 PM 870 Views
Ah, then yes, we're on the same side of this argument. lilltempest - 01/12/2012 11:08:23 PM 914 Views
You still haven't addressed the main point... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2012 03:01:32 AM 968 Views
Hmmm fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 04:22:26 AM 914 Views
Min is not the Warder in the situation with Rand. She is the only non-Channeler who is a bond holde darius_sedai - 01/12/2012 05:52:08 AM 967 Views
I'm pretty sure Elayas can't mask the bond either ... I'd have to go look, but I think there darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 03:41:51 AM 933 Views
Something when he's talking to Perrin? TheCrownless - 30/11/2012 07:25:33 PM 876 Views
found it darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 10:11:53 PM 1039 Views
Day #5 - What!?!?!?! HousealThor - 30/11/2012 05:46:44 PM 1030 Views
I really want that to be a sarcastic moment between Mat and Egwene *NM* darius_sedai - 30/11/2012 06:06:18 PM 445 Views
This sounds like Moiraine to me...possibly dry and sarcastic... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 04:05:21 AM 924 Views
Who whispers sarcastically though? fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 04:29:30 AM 892 Views
Many people do... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 05:47:06 AM 991 Views
Not seeing it in the situation you wrote. Sorry. fionwe1987 - 01/12/2012 03:57:32 PM 941 Views
Of course you don't. In your world, Egwene will glare at Tuon and Tuon will drop to her knees.... lilltempest - 01/12/2012 11:13:53 PM 1069 Views
What's that got to do with anything? fionwe1987 - 02/12/2012 03:00:08 AM 1127 Views
Hmm yeah sounds more like Moiraine or possibly Nynaeve *NM* Praziquantel - 01/12/2012 07:03:42 AM 586 Views
Day 6 .... Galad ... MEH darius_sedai - 02/12/2012 04:31:29 PM 1272 Views
Day 7 ... "Nobody travels the Ways," Ituralde said, aghast. darius_sedai - 02/12/2012 05:39:56 PM 1131 Views
Not Demandred I think Sidious - 04/12/2012 07:16:27 AM 1031 Views
Demandred wouldn't be seen using the Ways himself! darius_sedai - 04/12/2012 09:04:06 PM 988 Views
My thought was Ituralde finding out about Caemlyn TheCrownless - 05/12/2012 12:11:03 AM 1245 Views
Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this darius_sedai - 05/12/2012 12:14:34 AM 1003 Views
Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this darius_sedai - 05/12/2012 12:14:36 AM 1055 Views
Well not personally obviously Sidious - 05/12/2012 08:11:41 AM 993 Views
The Light would be stupid to risk them now that they have Traveling darius_sedai - 05/12/2012 03:06:21 PM 945 Views
Maybe they have to use them Sidious - 06/12/2012 06:40:49 AM 1059 Views
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