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Re: Thanks to both of you for digging this up... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 01/12/2012 04:37:54 AM
And it seems that Rina is the one who masked the bond to Elyas, which is just another case of the bondholder masking it. And the Min scene is interesting (I still think she could do it if she tried hard enough, much like ignoring the heat/cold...and we've seen channelers have trouble with even that trick) but it still doesn't prove that someone who has been bonded can mask the bond, channeler or not.
Min's case doesn't prove much, except to possibly say that non-channelers cannot do it.
Wait...what about Toveine and Gabrelle? Wouldn't Toveine mask the bond to Logain if she could when Gabrelle was trying to screw his brains out in order to get him to let his guard down? The scene where Toveine is looking disgustedly at Gabrelle implies she was well aware of what was going on with her and Logain. Granted, the scene proves nothing one way or the other, but it seems the bonded Aes Sedai would try to mask their bonds to the men so the men won't be able to "read" them, yet we haven't seen it happen.

Toviene clearly states she could fell Logain going at it, and was worried she couldn't sleep. But that doesn't prove anything. For one, Toveine is a Red, and knows nothing about Warders. For another, they may not want to tip the Asha'man off, or their instructions might include not trying to hide themselves. We just can't use the bond with the extra-bit as saying anything conclusive about the normal bond.
I just think the nature of the bond would prevent masking on the side of the one who was bonded. All of the power lies with the bondholder - down to being able to suck the very life out of the one they own - so it seems impossible that the one bonded could do something to protect themselves from the bond with the exception of holding the One Power, which is what we saw with Rand when Alanna tried to use the bond to compel him.

I doubt Rand has been holding the OP every time Alanna tried to control him. She just can't do it, and that seems to be a function of his being able to channel. And I think its reasonable to assume that if this major aspect of the bond is changed because of the bonded person being able to channel, nothing says something simpler like masking won't change too.
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Highly doubtful... - 29/11/2012 07:14:33 PM 1076 Views
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Re: Thanks to both of you for digging this up... - 01/12/2012 04:37:54 AM 916 Views
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