Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin
DomA Send a noteboard - 28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM
Rand will be forced to delay his plans to strike at SG the day after Merrilor.
He will thus have no choice but to deal with problems he meant precisely to by-pass by striking so early at Shai'tan, then the Light could eliminate the Forsaken, their armies, and deal with the Seanchan.
This won't happen, because Rand is convinced Merrilor fulfills the answer of the Aelfinn but he's wrong. The winning conditions aren't met, they won't be met until Mat brings the Seanchan north, so he won't be able to go forward with his early strike.
This means many problems will have to be dealt with.. including limiting damages by destroying (and fast) all the Waygates. This would mean the Shadowspawn armies in the land would be trapped, and the Shadow would be forced to rely on Dreadlords and Portal Stones. Portal Stones require a lot of Power, thus circles, to move around large forces fast. Less numerous, the PS are much easier to keep watch on, and send strike teams to the minute the Shadow starts to send armies through one.
Destroying the Ways would go much faster and effectively with approval of the Ogier Elders and Ogier guides so many strike teams could act in parallel instead of having Karldin as the only guide, especially since it's likelyt the Shadow already holds many Waygates. Locating and destroying the Waygates in the Blight is another obvious goal. This would not only stop Shadowspawn armies from pouring out of there, but it also prevent a return of large Shadowspawn to the Blight at some point.
Destroying the Waygates would also mean massive numbers of Shadowspawn would be trapped inside...
Anyway.. .whatever Rand's exact contingency plan for the Waygates issue will be, he's about to need the Ogier soon.
IMO, he will soon send Perrin to meet with them at Tsofu and expose the current situation. Many Ogier Elders have made a terrible decision when they refused Loial killed the Waygates slowly (not that this solution has worked either, not in Caemlyn anyway) and insisted only to guard them. The Ogier hate change, and for cultural reasons were unable to see these now useless remnant of their past needed to be destroyed for everyone's good.
I don't know how the core of Elders will react to news of Caemlyn having fallen because of a Waygate (if Caemlyn is the only city that's fallen by then...) but Loial will be crushed by guilt (not really his fault, but Loial is always very keen to take everyone's faults on his shoulders) and horror when he learns about Caemlyn.
I think Perrin's arrival at the Great Stump will fulfill a very old (EOTW) Viewing of him surrounded by trees.
He will thus have no choice but to deal with problems he meant precisely to by-pass by striking so early at Shai'tan, then the Light could eliminate the Forsaken, their armies, and deal with the Seanchan.
This won't happen, because Rand is convinced Merrilor fulfills the answer of the Aelfinn but he's wrong. The winning conditions aren't met, they won't be met until Mat brings the Seanchan north, so he won't be able to go forward with his early strike.
This means many problems will have to be dealt with.. including limiting damages by destroying (and fast) all the Waygates. This would mean the Shadowspawn armies in the land would be trapped, and the Shadow would be forced to rely on Dreadlords and Portal Stones. Portal Stones require a lot of Power, thus circles, to move around large forces fast. Less numerous, the PS are much easier to keep watch on, and send strike teams to the minute the Shadow starts to send armies through one.
Destroying the Ways would go much faster and effectively with approval of the Ogier Elders and Ogier guides so many strike teams could act in parallel instead of having Karldin as the only guide, especially since it's likelyt the Shadow already holds many Waygates. Locating and destroying the Waygates in the Blight is another obvious goal. This would not only stop Shadowspawn armies from pouring out of there, but it also prevent a return of large Shadowspawn to the Blight at some point.
Destroying the Waygates would also mean massive numbers of Shadowspawn would be trapped inside...
Anyway.. .whatever Rand's exact contingency plan for the Waygates issue will be, he's about to need the Ogier soon.
IMO, he will soon send Perrin to meet with them at Tsofu and expose the current situation. Many Ogier Elders have made a terrible decision when they refused Loial killed the Waygates slowly (not that this solution has worked either, not in Caemlyn anyway) and insisted only to guard them. The Ogier hate change, and for cultural reasons were unable to see these now useless remnant of their past needed to be destroyed for everyone's good.
I don't know how the core of Elders will react to news of Caemlyn having fallen because of a Waygate (if Caemlyn is the only city that's fallen by then...) but Loial will be crushed by guilt (not really his fault, but Loial is always very keen to take everyone's faults on his shoulders) and horror when he learns about Caemlyn.
I think Perrin's arrival at the Great Stump will fulfill a very old (EOTW) Viewing of him surrounded by trees.
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28/11/2012 01:07:22 AM
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No reason it can't be both Pevara asking Androl AND Androl being Farestrider's kid *NM*
28/11/2012 02:11:58 AM
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The whole idea of "Farstrider's son" sounds silly, if you ask me
28/11/2012 03:23:11 AM
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well isn't wild speculation part of the reason for a discussion forum?
28/11/2012 04:00:35 PM
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Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ...
28/11/2012 05:18:05 PM
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Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me.
28/11/2012 06:04:36 PM
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Re: Sounds more like Mat than Thom to me.
28/11/2012 06:35:35 PM
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I was thinking that this exchange could happen later in the book...
28/11/2012 08:21:05 PM
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Re: I was thinking that this exchange could happen later in the book...
28/11/2012 09:33:46 PM
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Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ...
28/11/2012 06:31:56 PM
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Re: Day 3 ... marriage is not so bad ...
28/11/2012 06:43:32 PM
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that is a good observation and explains the tone of the sentence *NM*
28/11/2012 07:43:06 PM
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Day#3 This one sounds like something Loial would tell to Perrin
28/11/2012 07:34:09 PM
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Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna? *NM*
29/11/2012 05:22:01 PM
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Re: Day #4: "Pass his bond to me." --- Moraine to Alanna?
29/11/2012 06:30:46 PM
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I can't see a forsaken wanting the bond with all the downsides it would cary for them.
29/11/2012 06:36:08 PM
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Egwene to Alanna, IMO.
29/11/2012 07:00:01 PM
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Highly doubtful...
29/11/2012 07:14:33 PM
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Agreed, Egwene would see the disadvantages of holding his bond as outweighing the advantages
29/11/2012 07:27:48 PM
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Regarding Rand "tracking her actions", she can mask the bond to take care of that. *NM*
29/11/2012 07:45:03 PM
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That masking works both ways... *NM*
29/11/2012 07:49:41 PM
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Does it? Have we seen a Warder who can mask the bond from his owner?
29/11/2012 07:54:17 PM
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Most warders aren't channelers... Min can't mask and she is the bonder in the situation and then
29/11/2012 08:05:53 PM
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You're right, most aren't channelers...
29/11/2012 08:22:04 PM
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That's because you see it as a leash...
03/12/2012 10:45:17 PM
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well it can be a leash, but that's up to the bond holder
03/12/2012 10:56:49 PM
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where have we seen this emotional and physical stress that was related at all to the bond? *NM*
04/12/2012 12:08:23 AM
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Eylas comes to mind
04/12/2012 04:31:17 AM
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Hmmm...
29/11/2012 08:42:25 PM
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I think Aviendha (she told Min about it) is simply ignorant about the mechanics of masking *NM*
30/11/2012 03:44:01 AM
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Elayne told Min...
30/11/2012 05:07:44 AM
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You are correct ... Min told Aviendha!
30/11/2012 03:59:27 PM
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Nope..
30/11/2012 08:56:59 PM
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this is the scene I'm referring too ... but it DID work for Aviendha
30/11/2012 10:19:21 PM
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Thanks to both of you for digging this up...
01/12/2012 04:01:48 AM
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Re: Thanks to both of you for digging this up...
01/12/2012 04:37:54 AM
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About Alanna, that isn't right...
01/12/2012 05:51:03 AM
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It most certainly is...
01/12/2012 03:52:45 PM
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LOL! I love how you make up nonexistent scenes to support your case.
01/12/2012 11:12:46 PM
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Says the woman who's come up with the most ridiculously fantastic scenarios...
02/12/2012 03:04:54 AM
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Yet Min holds Rands Bond *NM*
01/12/2012 05:48:39 AM
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And? What does that prove?
01/12/2012 05:53:43 AM
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I think we do know a couple of things
01/12/2012 03:32:09 PM
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Hmmm
01/12/2012 04:22:26 AM
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Min is not the Warder in the situation with Rand. She is the only non-Channeler who is a bond holde
01/12/2012 05:52:08 AM
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I'm pretty sure Elayas can't mask the bond either ... I'd have to go look, but I think there
30/11/2012 03:41:51 AM
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Day #5 - What!?!?!?!
30/11/2012 05:46:44 PM
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I really want that to be a sarcastic moment between Mat and Egwene *NM*
30/11/2012 06:06:18 PM
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This sounds like Moiraine to me...possibly dry and sarcastic...
01/12/2012 04:05:21 AM
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Who whispers sarcastically though?
01/12/2012 04:29:30 AM
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Many people do...
01/12/2012 05:47:06 AM
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Not seeing it in the situation you wrote. Sorry.
01/12/2012 03:57:32 PM
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Of course you don't. In your world, Egwene will glare at Tuon and Tuon will drop to her knees....
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Day 7 ... "Nobody travels the Ways," Ituralde said, aghast.
02/12/2012 05:39:56 PM
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Not Demandred I think
04/12/2012 07:16:27 AM
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Demandred wouldn't be seen using the Ways himself!
04/12/2012 09:04:06 PM
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My thought was Ituralde finding out about Caemlyn
05/12/2012 12:11:03 AM
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Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this
05/12/2012 12:14:34 AM
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Yup ... And I suspect we'll be seeing several more attacks like this
05/12/2012 12:14:36 AM
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Well not personally obviously
05/12/2012 08:11:41 AM
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The Light would be stupid to risk them now that they have Traveling
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